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  • The bitless bridle craze

 
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    10-26-2008, 04:44 PM
  #11
Banned
Yeah it is so true!!

I went camping with the BO and I rode her horse, Dolly, bareback and just in a halter for a trail. We met a couple on the trails and they just stared at me with this weird expression.
As they went passed us I heard them say "That girl is crazy riding her horse like that." then there was a pause....then she added "I wish I could do that with my horse"
     
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    10-26-2008, 05:48 PM
  #12
Green Broke
Hehe :) doesnt take much to amaze people :P
     
    10-26-2008, 05:48 PM
  #13
Banned
Yeah totally lol
     
    10-26-2008, 09:23 PM
  #14
Showing
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Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
also, what do you get more?
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Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
"Wow, you're horse is GREAT because you can ride him in a bit? I wish my horse did that!!"
or
"Wow, you're horse is great because you can ride him bitless? I wish my horse did that!!"

I personally will go "wow" to any horse that deserves it. I do NOT wow at a horse that goes bitless ust because it's going bitless.
If anything, I wonder "what's wrong with that horse so it won't take contact with a bit?"


Generally speaking, the horses I see going bitless that people "wow" at are travelling hollow, and not engaged... um, no, that's nothing to wow at.
A lot of people "wow" at a horse without a bit when really, there's nothing to be wowed about.
I will "wow" at a horse that's doing its job well, and using its body well... the horse could have a spade bit in (again, a bit is ONLY as harsh as the hands. I've ridden in one many many times.. am I cruel? No.) or be ridden without any bridle whatsoever.

A well trained horse should be able to be ridden in whatever, be it a halter or a spade bit.
     
    10-26-2008, 09:25 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
hehe :) doesnt take much to amaze people :P


Appearantly so...
     
    10-26-2008, 09:47 PM
  #16
Green Broke
Okay JDI when did I EVER ONCE say using a bit was cruel I never even mentioned it! Im simply saying chance goes better in a bitless bridle! She uses her body better as well!


Sometimes JDI I think you should look at the other side of things as well. Im sorry but the replys you have given has seemed a bit rude maybe that's not that way you intended it but that is what im getting from you!

I wow when someone can ride there horse with nothing! There are some other things to wow at then watching a horse forced into a "right frame" By tie downs and what not.

Again I never said bits were cruel harsh or anything else I was simply asking for an opinion cause chance works with going bitless much better!


She takes a bit pretty well but will hollow her back and have her head up head evven with no contact with a bitless she's nice relaxed and rounded back
     
    10-26-2008, 09:56 PM
  #17
Showing
Right then. I get it, my opinion is of no use to you HAF, I will no longer be taking the time out to reply to your topics.
     
    10-26-2008, 10:02 PM
  #18
Green Broke
JDI usually your replys are well a little less rude. I was simply asking for an opinion of which one to get so on so forth not for you let alone anyone to point out lack of training or what not. Your very educated and have helped me a ton! But My horse just works much better without a bit. Plan and simple.
     
    10-26-2008, 10:07 PM
  #19
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JDI, I do have to agree that sometimes your opinions can be kinda rude...maybe you don't mean it that way...but since this is the internet anything can be taken the wrong way.

If the only thing that will wow you is seeing a horse properly collected, and working off the bit, then, no offense, I'm glad I'm not you. I am wowed by many things...even if it's just something "silly". It's being human.

A halter WILL give you less control than in a bit. I can definitely make Sonny stop on a dime and do all these quick turns in a bit...that we have not achieved yet in a halter...but would it honestly be more impressive doing all that stuff in a bit or a halter? Everything takes time...even a horse learning to properly engage itself doesn't just happen over night. The horse has to learn to properly balance itself. They CAN and WILL learn how to balance themselves without reins.
Getting off topic.....

Anyways, whether or not someone riding in a halter wows you, it does teach the horse to listen to more subtle cues, and in turn have more attention on you.
Some people like to be as gentle as possible to their horses...bits are just metal things in their mouths....it's still there, it's still metal even if it's sweet iron. They like the taste...but take away the taste, will they still like it? Personally I'd rather have a great horse that rides well in a halter and one that won't accept the bit than one that will only listen to the bit and nothing else
     
    10-26-2008, 10:12 PM
  #20
Showing
(This is my last post, HAF)

I was not mean to you. I was not rude. I wrote out my response as I would to anyone. In fact, I never made direct reference to your training or lack thereof. I simply stated that there are other factors that play a role in people thinking it's a bit problem when it's usually not, it's usually a problem with tack or training, and many people just jump to the conclusion that it's a bitting problem.
But then people start spouting off that a horse that works without a bit is something special... I don't think so. I look at a horse and what it's doing. I don't immediately applaud the horse because it's working without a bit, there's so much more to it than just that.
You're right, a lot of people are amazed at very little things... does that mean you should strive to have people wow at you when you know it's nothing to be proud of? I certainly hope not.
Like I said, this whole bitless bridle thing is the latest craze, because it's "natural" and "natural" must be better right? No. It's the latest fad for people that don't want to huuuurt their poor hooorsie. Honestly, give me strength... bits are not evil.
Sure there are some instances where bitless bridles are better.. like with children's ponies, it saves the horse's mouth.. I'd rather a kid haul on the reins to a bitless than to a bit. Some horses honestly cannot carry a bit, and that's all fine and dandy.
BUT most horses that "don't like a bit" just don't have the proper training that has taught them to accept a bit and work well with it. A bit offers a lightness in cues that a bitless never will.
Also, edited to add... look at the reining and WP horses out there. (I'm referencing western horses for you Sonny and HAF, please PM me for the English side too) The best ones have absolutely NO contact. They work off leg and seat cues. And yet they carry a bit.. because they CAN work well with it. The bridle may as well not be there, but it is... the horses are in a bit, but there may as well not be a bit.. but them HAVING a bit in their mouths doesn't make them travel hollow.
Go check out the best reiners in your area... go take a ride with a bridle and without.. there should be no difference.. and that's what wows me... when there's no difference in a horse when he's in a bit to when he's working without one.


Hate to say it, but I'm not the one with a closed mind.

Example:
I can't find the video right now.. but this horse works EXACTLY THE SAME with a bit and without.

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That's something to wow at.
     

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