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post #21 of 39 Old 10-26-2008, 10:17 PM Thread Starter
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With chance if you have a snaffle bridle on and you ask for a whoa you can pull all day and she will still be inching forward xD but the last time i rode her with a bosal hackamore type thing she stopped completely with the slightest pull I was shocked!! Let alone getting a backwards movement front her lol!


Honestly I think some horses respond much better with out the bit.
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post #22 of 39 Old 10-26-2008, 10:28 PM
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HAF, it doesn't even seem you read my response.

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Alright guys, lets all take our boxing gloves off and relax abit.

Here is my opinion:

My Nana rides in a Hackamore, i believe its called a Mechanical Hackamore but correct me if I am wrong, and she responds to it quite well. I sometimes just put a halter on Nana and tie a knot on the bottom ring and ride her around just usin the lead rope as reins and Nana does great!

Hackamore are nice and all but some horses just NEEDS a bit. If you use a regular bit (snaffle, curb, etc) then your horse will be fine, he will not receive any pain from the bit if the person uses them correctly.

To touch on the bit about people passin by and lookin at someone usin a hackamore and bla bla bla (sorry i dont want to explain what i am refering to), I don't really feel all that BETTER because I know my horse has flaws (i think she is perfect tho ) and I don't really see the big deal in it, to be honest.

Also, I quess its just because I am to tough minded to care, but I didn't really have a sense that JDI was being rude at all.

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oh silly Brandon..what are you taking about? Nana is perfect?
Mechanical Hackamore is any one with metal one it really...at least that's what I consider it

Didn't ya know that girls tend to me more sensitive than guys hehe...hence the reason we took it as rude.

There is no big deal in a horse using a bit or hackamore or halter...honestly I like seeing them in the hackamores or halters because I just personally like them alot better..but that's just me
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post #25 of 39 Old 10-26-2008, 11:02 PM
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I like using a plain (non-mechanical) hackamore on my horses when they are being ridden by beginner lessons students. We work pretty hard to make our horses take contact and respond correctly to the bit, so we try to separate that from when beginners who don't know how to rider properly yet are on.

I also sometimes like turning my halter and lead into a "natural hackamore". I do this in the winter when it is cold, and I don't feel like working on anything specific, but just enjoying a ride.

Anytime that I am riding seriously or training, I use a bit.

I guess for me the bit/hackamore line is drawn by casual or serious riding.

I don't know if this is fact, but personally, I would not feel as accurate a connection for schooling my horses with a hackamore or natural hackamore as a do with a bit. Though...I think it will be a neat thing for you to have and use HAF.

I just want to remind all involved to please remember that others' opinions are simply their opinions...take them or leave them. Enjoy the advice and companionship of other HF members.
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IN MY OPINION - It's not the bit that is the problem and switching to a hackmore is just a temporary fix. Don't be surprised if the longer you ride in the hackamore, the less responsive to it she becomes. Right now it's new to her, she's paying attention to how it feels and what happens while in it. Once she gets used to it, she'll begin to experiment with it and see what she can and cannot do with it too...same as she did with the snaffle that she "hates" and that you "can pull all day and she will still be inching forward" in when you ask for a whoa.
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I never really liked the rope halter style bitless bridles, i did make a makeshift one at one point out of a old rope halter and attached reins to the sides of it but found it slipped up the horses face sometimes, and generally didnt think the knots were that ' nice ' .

So i ended up using a english hackamore on one of my horses, its the most mildest type of hackamore, and i took the curb chain off and put a leather strap...works like a charm I have never liked the thought if a mechanical hackamore....all that metal on such a sensative animals face makes me cringe a little.

I also use a crossover bitless bridle on my TB.

Love both of them. I am a total bitless girl now and dont intend on going bitted again, but thats not to say i have anything against people who use bits, every one i know uses bits on there horses any way, if any thing in my town other people have the problem with me going bitless :roll: apparently your either amazing , or crazy , lol. Small towns ......go figure.
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IN MY OPINION - It's not the bit that is the problem and switching to a hackmore is just a temporary fix. Don't be surprised if the longer you ride in the hackamore, the less responsive to it she becomes. Right now it's new to her, she's paying attention to how it feels and what happens while in it. Once she gets used to it, she'll begin to experiment with it and see what she can and cannot do with it too...same as she did with the snaffle that she "hates" and that you "can pull all day and she will still be inching forward" in when you ask for a whoa.
That is exactly the reply I was going to give. And I speak from experience. Way back when I was way less educated we got a horse that was "hard mouthed". So I figured (in all my genius) if his mouth was the problem, then a hack would fix it. And low and behold it did. He went from almost impossible to stop and terrible to turn, to a soft, yielding horse. He would break at the pole, he would turn on a dime, and practically had a sliding stop with the slightest of rein pressure.

For about 3 weeks

Once he became accustomed to the hack and how it worked, he reverted back to his old ways. So I had to backtrack and actually learn how to teach him to be soft and work with the bit. Once he learned that, bosal or bit, he was the same. He was also happy in whatever he was riden in because there was an understanding that there would be give and take.

Just my 2 cents Good luck with whatever you choose though.

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post #29 of 39 Old 10-27-2008, 06:37 AM
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i also didnt see jdi's comments as rude. more just honest i guess.

the point that JDI and a couple of others have mentioned is all VERY fair enough. quite often training and/or pain in teeth or the mouth is the source of the issue and switching to bitless will only work for a limited time as already mentioned.

there is always a reason why a horse wont accept the bit and finding the source of that problem is better than covering it with a band aid. i think thats more the point that is trying to be made.

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post #30 of 39 Old 10-27-2008, 06:44 AM Thread Starter
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JDI I did read your posts - Ill drop it though.

I mean still gonna be useing a normal snaffle bridle for my lessons and if there wil be a lot of beginer riders in the ring to be safe cause I know she will eventually try and take control. But I want to see how she rides in the bitless for a while.

Also yes if you tie the reins to teh side of the halter its going to slide up. Which is why the Natural Hackamore has the reins on the bottom It more or less pushing down on there nose blocking that forward movement. If you press on chances nose she will back right up [using your hand] So Im thinking this hackamore will work out fairly well.

Theres also that extra 12 ft rope that you can use for a quick one rein stop! I mean When I lunge chance with a rope halter when she USE TO try and get away from me the only thing that stoped her was teh rope halter I dont even try to lunge her in a normal halter.

Ive used a mechanicle hackamore with her a few months after I bought her and she just wouldnt have it. She was throwing her head and rearing. Dont blame her though.

Hm never tried a english hackamore though. Seen them, never tried them.
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