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post #11 of 17 Old 01-04-2007, 09:01 AM
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I do NHS 'my Style'
With benny.

Becuase i think there is a Differnt way to teach each animal new things.
Like if this makes sence..
you learn 1 way to do something. But then you have to teach the horse what you learnt so they can understand it.

Yes i know im silly enough not to wear a Helmet Sorry.

And had to add a Picture of us tonight.

Holly. x x x x
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post #12 of 17 Old 01-21-2007, 04:15 PM
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For those that are in GA or the surrounding area, Parelli will be in Perry, GA the first weekend in February...
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post #13 of 17 Old 01-21-2007, 04:53 PM
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I am a HUGE parelli person. Very big into parelli. I love natural horsemanship and will never do anything but it. It makes so much sense to me. I just can't imagine why people don't do it. I do parelli with all of my horses though if someone doesn't want me to do parelli I do my own little mixture of natural horsemanship. Brent Graef is a really good natural horsemanship mentor too.

Mikey and Red Sun do parelli. :)
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post #14 of 17 Old 01-21-2007, 09:03 PM
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I LOVE Clinton Anderson!!!! I really like John Lyons too, but Clinton is my favorite. I'm going to get some books by him so I can teach Rose
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post #15 of 17 Old 01-24-2007, 02:11 AM
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Alright Lets Debate and have our opinions about this :)

i got it sent to me from a friend.

Natural Horsemanship does not exist in my heart. In Nature, the only time a horse picks a rider is when a dingo jumps on its back for dinner. What most people call Natural Horsemanship is just good horsemanship.

What the horse is actually saying when he picks the rider is – GET ME THE HELL (excuse the language) OUT OF HERE!

Written by Lynann.

Holly. x x x x
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post #16 of 17 Old 01-24-2007, 05:39 AM
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Cowpuncher had that same quote in his signature (only it was a cougar, not a dingo) and i couldn't agree more.

I've had people tell me i am a Whisperer because i can deal with horses no one else can. Or ask me what level of Parelli I am at.. and i have to restrain myself from saying something very unprofessional.

I am not a Whisperer. I have never bought a book on training. Ive handled some 200+ horses on the ground. Ive been dragged, taken off with, bit, pushed, etc. and after dealing with so many different horses, you begin to learn what works, and what doesn't. I believe i have very good horsemanship, because regardless what horse i handle, i can foresee an accident and avoid it.

Anger never works with horses. It just makes them scared and 10 times harder to deal with. Horses like goals, if you reward them for reaching a goal, they like it and strive to do more. Horses are prey animals, understand this and you will no longer get mad if your horse spooks at something really silly (because regardless how domesticated the horse, they will ALWAYS have those instincts).

I tend to get pretty pissy with the Natural Horsemanship people, or the trainers that say "Hey, buy my book and your horse will love you!" or something to that effect. I thought the most important thing was to help the horse and its owner to communicate better with them... not sell out. I understand they need to make their money too. But honestly, the reason they are making the money is because they beat someone else to patenting the training method and slapping their own name on it.

Perhaps the reason i dislike these big name trainers so much, is because so many horse people turn down the help of a real trainer for the help of a book. And i am really sorry, but someone that is completely new to horses should really be learning from another horse person in the flesh, and use books as a supplementary item. The only horse books i ever bought were Veterinary Manuals and Picture books. I finally bought one book on the History of the American Bred horses (all the breeds founded in America) but never have i ever bought a "Horses for Dummies" sort of book. Though, for all my time being around people with horses, i have seen them get suckered into buying these books, but the books just don't have all the answers. I personally think a Horse Forum is a better resource for new horse owners than any book on horse ownership is... but then again, thats because each person is getting handled like an individual, they aren't just reading the same thing that anyone who bought that book reads.. if that makes sense.

I am not saying that these people do not have good training methods. These people know how to understand a horse very well.. why? Just like me, they have handled A LOT of horses. They know what to look for and they have incredibly good Horsemanship. The more horses you handle, the better shot -you- have at becoming a trainer. After handling about 200 different horses, and training 50 additional under saddle, i found that people around the ranch were asking -me- to train their horse. Riding Instructors were asking -me- to teach their lessons when they were feeling sick. I was even asked to judge the English and Western Flatwork/Pleasure classes at two local shows. I literally became a trainer before i even knew it. I didn't realize i was until someone said "Hey, _____ said you were a really good trainer, could you break my horse to ride?"

Im going to make a new thread on "Trainers" in this forum =) Feel free to check that out ^^ It;s going to be about how people very much mis-use the term (i.e. they read a book, handle 3 horses, break their 2 year old to ride, then consider themselves master trainers)

Sorry to be a grump, but i wanted to add my opinion in here =) I am a very sour old gal considering i am only 20, lol.

-Skippy! The Wonder Horse!
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post #17 of 17 Old 01-24-2007, 06:44 PM
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Natural horsemanship is not the horse picking the rider. Natural horsemanship is working with a horse using horse's instincts and body language. It's communicating with your horse like a horse knows.

I think Natural horsemanship trainers are just fine. I mean no one guarantees *your horse will love your* but it teaches people how to deal with their horse's using good methods. I don't know I know I'd be pretty lost without my pat parelli book. It was a good smack in the face because I am around people that say "if your horse tosses it's head yank it in the mouth." so that's what I did. Then I saw Pat Parelli. I think it's kind of like that will lots of trainers. I mean it's not just natural horsemanship. I have books on western pleasure, reining, hunter jumpers and they are all like "train your horse this way and your out come will be this". I'm glad I have my pat parelli stuff so I'm not spending loads on lessons. I think the horse training industry may be going down though like you said. Now trainers have to be really good or else they aren't going to make any money.

I also think it's how people learn too. I'd rather not send my horse to a trainer and get the horse trained. I'd like to watch someone do it and do it myself. I'm quite a visual learner and I like doing things myself. I wouldn't consider myself a trainer because I've worked with problem horses and such but I don't think that nessecarily starting colts and the amount of colts you start is what makes you a trainer. I believe it's how you work with them and what the finished product turns out to be.
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