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post #11 of 21 Old 01-10-2008, 10:15 AM
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What I ment is we all aim for the same thing, for example you want to have your horses head set. You do it differently then I do, but in the end we aim for the same results, a head set.
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post #12 of 21 Old 05-05-2008, 06:37 PM
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post #13 of 21 Old 05-05-2008, 07:07 PM
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Somebody needs to kick Robert Redford in the keester. Everytime he makes a movie he starts a fad. Make one about fishing and everone becomes a fly fisherman and moves to Montana. Make one about a horse trainer and everyone is a "whispering" nut. On a serious note, not all listed trainers are "nautural" but I have never seen any of them hog tie a horse and beat them into submission so it is an improvment on the old cowboy ways.

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post #14 of 21 Old 05-06-2008, 02:38 AM
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I think some people miss the meaning behind the word 'natural' in this sense. The natural part of it refers to communicating with the horse in a way they can understand because it is how they communicate with each other therefore making it a more natural way of communicating rather than trying to make them listen to our way. This is what makes it natural...they are not trying to say that the process of saddling for example is natural, just the way in which you get the horse to do something is more natural than using methods which they cannot understand or that sometimes put physical or psychological strain on the horse.

I think a lot of people hate NH more because of people like parelli, anderson etc that are making ridiculous amounts of money from over priced products, shows etc the process of communication and bonding etc something that probably 95% of people out there do whether they follow a NHman or not. This is where it all gets hazy and people start turning on the technique rather than acknowledging that the methods are great its just the money hungry people behind the enterprise that is causing issue. Who hasnt heard someone say 'my grandpappy was using these methods years before parelli came along'. Tried, tested and true ways from years of use that have been marred by modern day man.

Sorry about the rant but it gets on my nerves when people say it isnt natural. Im not a NH freak and only use bits and pieces of it where needed. I think everything involved came help people in some way but its doesnt need to be so commercialised and should be more available for people who don't have a few hundred $$$$ to spend per pack

In answer to the OP: all the ones I can think of are already mentioned :)

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post #15 of 21 Old 05-06-2008, 02:56 AM
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I never understood the phrase natural horsemanship either. Why can't people just say they use horse psychology in their training? That's like saying Cesar Millan is using natural dogmanship but what he's really doing is just using dog psychology. Which is all it is. I like to incorperate all methods into training since no school is perfect but the mixture of them is great.
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post #16 of 21 Old 05-06-2008, 03:05 AM
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horse psychology is used yes but this is done by communicating in a way that they would NATURALLY in their NATURAL environment.

I guess as you don't understand how people see the 'natural' in it I can't see how people can't see the natural in it ;)

"I whisper but my horse doesnt listen...So I yell!!...He still doesnt listen"


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post #17 of 21 Old 05-06-2008, 08:45 AM
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I'm with Tim, I've been afraid to post everytime people have jumped all over the "natural" horsmanship. I dont' want to get in trouble but I do want to add, alot of times, this natural stuff, is just common sense that we all are already practicing...
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I tend to use it a lot, I think it's great!!

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post #20 of 21 Old 05-19-2008, 04:01 PM
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I'm with Tim, I've been afraid to post everytime people have jumped all over the "natural" horsmanship. I dont' want to get in trouble but I do want to add, alot of times, this natural stuff, is just common sense that we all are already practicing...
I have never called myself a "Parelli" or "Anderson" practitioner, and I never will... I have gained my horse sense from more "traditional" methods; it means I view the "carrot stick" as a whip, an artificial aid that I use when needed to get a horse to sharpen up and listen to my natural leg and seat aids. I find that I use "horse sense" when I'm training, that's my intuition of what they're going to do - if they're hard to catch, I'll play "cow horse" and let them know they aren't going to get away with it; I can read a horse and figure out if they're going to move... and that's all the years of training I've had.
Having said that, I don't have a problem with those people that do practise those methods.


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