Natural Horsemanship - usefull or useless

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View Poll Results: Natural Horsemanship - usefull or useless?
Yes, I use it in my training 33 84.62%
No, it's nothing but waste of time 6 15.38%
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    02-12-2008, 11:19 AM
Natural Horsemanship - usefull or useless

Just wondering on opinions. I read good things as well as opinions that it's nothing but ... (add whatever dirty words you wish :) ). I personally tried Parelli and didn't like it much, however I started Clinton Anderson techniques recently with the problem mare, and they seem to be helping out (although progress is very-very slow).

What I have to admit though Parelli, Clinton, etc. etc. have really amazing horses to demonstrate (like riding without bridle, turning and lunging free in field, and so on). I don't think those trainers run to the barn at nights (when noone see them) and use some different methods on those horses than they demonstrate to public. Lol!
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    02-12-2008, 11:26 AM
I started using parelli on my horse, but had to come to a stop when it got too cold outside for lessons and was moved into the indoor arena. I would work with her now, but the outdoor arenas are ice skating rinks, and the indoor is always flooded with people.

I have noticed a difference in her, but its been a while, so we lost a lot of what we did.

I havent tried anyone else, so I cannot comment on them, but I do like Parelli.
    02-12-2008, 11:28 AM
Green Broke
Im all about getting things done quickly and efficently. Natural horsemanship in my opinion is a waste. It takes much much longer to teach a horse something. Quite frankly, for me it takes too long. Plus for me it doesn't work. Im not about all "connecting with the horse" and being "nice to the horse". No, if I want something done it better do it (that is if it knows better). I call Natural Horsemanship "beating around the bush" because really that's what your doing. You don't strike the horse what so ever, you don't use an artifical aids. Its a time waster. I have to have a horse completely trained for WP and EP by August. I don't have enough time to "back up the horse when it bites me". I hit it hard enough that it wont do it again. I forget which famous trainer said this but "Make the horse feel like its going to die for what it did and it will never do it again". That's what I live by.
    02-12-2008, 11:35 AM
John Lyons said that, and he does use aspects of natural horsemanship in his method.

I believe in moderation. I wish you had a "Yes, I use it, but its a buzzword" option. Many of these methods have been used for centuries: enterprising trainers have just brought them to the mainstream and rebranded them as their own.
    02-12-2008, 11:41 AM
Green Broke
Ahhh Lyons. I figured, but I wasn't sure.
    02-12-2008, 12:16 PM
I use Parelli. But I would be very careful about who you call a "natural horseman." Pat in my opinion is a prime example of what a natural horseman SHOULD be. Troy Henry, Tom Dorrance, etc. are others, but IMO the majority of the other "natural horseman" these days are not natural horseman at all. NH has become a phrase that has been VERY over used and it's lost its TRUE meaning, which is why Parelli has taken out the Natural Horsemanship in it's name. They refer to it now as the Parelli Program. They don't want to be associated with the people who CLAIM to do NH but they really treat every horse the same, it's a cookie-cutter program and that simply does not work. Parelli does not do that.

I love the Parelli program. I believe in what they teach and I've seen it work time and time again. It's for every horse, but it may not be for every person.
    02-12-2008, 12:31 PM
I lean more on John and Josh Lyons always have.
With that said, I take from other trainers as well, other *natural horsemanships*.

I like natural cause you don't have to have tons of fancy equipment and your working with the horses mind set.

Frankly if I don't have the patients to teach a horse slowly and thoroughly I don't have the business teaching a horse.

I don't believe into beating a horse into submission, working it to death for respect. I gain it fair and square and its a relationship I will always have weather its MY horse or someone else's. I believe a horse truly can not have a solid ground to stand on if he's never learns the correct way of doing things, and learns it in a positive way.

I don't think anyone training works for everyone and I have no issue supplementing what I find easier and works easier for me.
    02-12-2008, 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Sara
I believe in moderation. I wish you had a "Yes, I use it, but its a buzzword" option.
In fact I did (well, tried... :)), but somehow it displayed only 2 after I submitted.
    02-12-2008, 01:21 PM
I don't believe into beating a horse into submission, working it to death for respect.
I agree with you horsecrazy. The people at my barn think that way, and they show and rarely do they place well. For me, the horse has to love what its doing, have its heart into it. If it doesn't, I think it shows.

I rather spend a couple months or longer to train my horse to do something, rather than being rushed. For me, I rather have a horse that loves doing what its doing, rather than not.
    02-12-2008, 02:02 PM
I used to ride horses trained the "normal" way, you know, worked to death and scared into submission. They weren't nice horses. My horse was raised on Parelli, and I maintain him with Parelli and things are wonderful. He WANTS me to ride, he WANTS to play with me. Having your horse run up to you in the pasture and fight everyone else to get his head in the halter first is way cool. He drops his nose down it and wiggles it into his halter. I also love that he will go trotting up to the mounting block and wait for me to ride him, even if we aren't having a riding day. It's the most amazing thing ever.

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