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  • How to pull a naughty horses mane

 
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    06-27-2010, 01:22 PM
  #21
Yearling
Um, its not vanity. I show hunters and the standard 'dress code' is the horse's mane must be pulled. I don't clip her ears UNLESS I go to a HUGE show, and when I do, I make sure she has a fly mask with ears so she is not hurt by buggies.

I pulled her mane friday and she sat still for the first half but started rearing the second half. It depends on her mood. I had fed her before and she was in a good mood. No obvious pain, just annoyance. I really don't like that all of you guys are trashing me for something that every hunter rider does. I do A circuit shows where I HAVE to pull her mane. Its not cruel and its not vanity. My friend has a horse that doesn't need to be tied and stands perfectly still for mane pulling, as does many of my trainer's horses.

And Why would I do an ugly hack job on her mane? If it looked bad why would I pull it in the first place if its just going to look ugly?

And I've used the cutting mane puller thing and she reacts the same. SO its NOT pain, because THE CUTTING ONE DOESNT PULL! I believe its the noise, since she doesnt like her ears clipped, I think the noise might annoy or frighten her. Or she's just being a pig.
     
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    06-27-2010, 01:43 PM
  #22
Foal
Just jumping in here. Horses are usually compliant, unless something is uncomfortable for them.* She does not sound like an aggressive horse, so I lean toward discomfort. Honestly, point-cut with scissors. (I show hunters as well, and my mare BLEEDS when you pull her main. I use a pulling blade comb thing or back comb she short hairs, and then cut the long hair at an upward angle. When you brush the mane back the way it would lay naturally, you cannot tell that you used scissors. I braid and everything- neat and tidy.)

If she's not in pain, just take your time getting her used to the noise. There isn't an easy fix, and it's so much better to go slow and gently than rush through it and freak her out.

What they mean by vanity: it is not physically necessary for a horse to have a pulled mane. We pull manes because we like how they look.

*ETA: of course they can be pigs sometimes, but in this case? Sounds like discomfort of some sort.
     
    06-27-2010, 02:06 PM
  #23
Green Broke
Use thinning shears, or something of the type. If you feel you absolutely MUST pull, you could always have the vet come out and give a sedative first to prevent her hurting herself or you. I absolutely HATE stud chains for any reason. They cause all kinds of damage to the sensitive tissues around the nose. Even saw one break bones once due to being too low on the nose. All it will do is hurt and make her associate even more pain with pulling, making it even worse down the road. As far as the ears, if she doesn't mind you handling them, but is only opposed to the noise or vibration, get a cheap little battery operated massages at Walmart and use that to simulate. No cords or sharp edges to get tangled up in or hurt on. And by the way, until you get to upper level shows, you don't have to pull, you can always french braid the mane. I see it all the time around here in schooling and C level shows.
     
    06-27-2010, 04:38 PM
  #24
Yearling
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Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
And by the way, until you get to upper level shows, you don't have to pull, you can always french braid the mane. I see it all the time around here in schooling and C level shows.
The problem is, I DO show upper level, so pulling is a requirement.

And like I stated before, I used the cutting mane puller that doesnt pull the mane so its not discomfort.
     
    06-27-2010, 08:13 PM
  #25
Trained
Horses are not humans. They do NOT do things to purposefully annoy us. Their priorities are safety, comfort, and food. They are simple creatures, and that is why we can train them with such success - they are masters at taking the path of least resistance.

This means that something IS bothering her enough to make her react. It may not be outright pain, but it is most certainly discomfort.

Every horse is different - the fact that many horses don't mind pulling in the least has NO bearing on wether your horse does. Many horses don't mind needles, but one of mine, a very lazy, docile horse, turns into a whirling dervish when you try to jab him.

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The name of the 'cutting mane puller' suggest it does pull. It may not pull the hairs out, but does it put pressure on the hairs? I would guess this is the problem.

I would suggest trying thinning SCISSORS. They don't make noise except for the actual hair cutting, and they don't pull on the hair in any way.

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And i'm sorry, but no matter what you say, it is still vanity. It is done entirely for looks and for absolutely zero benefit to the horse or it's performance.
     
    06-27-2010, 08:23 PM
  #26
Trained
Aren't saddlebreds one of the breeds you can keep the main long and braid it in a running braid?

And even though a horse doesn't necessarily have nerves in his mane area, she may have something bothering her in the neck itself when you go to pull...brushing doesn't usually cause the neck itself to move, but pulling does...so maybe there is something wrong there? I would imagine it would be in the muscles on the top side of her neck.

She could also have had some previous experiences where pulling was not done gently; I've seen people pulling manes, and they shift the horse's entire head and neck when they pull! Can you pull her mane with your fingers? I know it would take alot lot longer, but it could keep her calmer, because the association, for the time being, is not on the comb used for pulling. Get some of those grippy finger things that mail people use to sort mail with; that would give you more grip to pull with.

As far as the clippers, have you tried various styles of clippers? There are super quiet cordless clippers; she may just not like the particular 'buzzing' sound that a normal clipper makes, as it does sound like bugs, when you think about it. I know there's a huge difference in sound between my cordless Andis, and my other corded 2 speeds. They are alot quieter than Oster, and others, but there is still a noticeable difference.
     
    06-27-2010, 09:37 PM
  #27
Yearling
Sorry, the 'cutting mane puller' as I called it, does NOT pull the mane. I just call it that. :P

And She's half saddlebred, I don't show her in ASHA stuff, I show her hunters, so a running braid would not be appropriate.

I don't pull her mane hard, and I don't think her mane was pulled before I got her. And yea, I've tried it with my fingers and she actually only shook her head. I am almost convinced its not pain that's causing the behavior.

And I wanted to roach her mane so that I wouldnt have to pull it but my trainer said not to and that pulling it is required for the shows I go to.
     
    06-27-2010, 09:53 PM
  #28
Yearling
Sorry, the 'cutting mane puller' as I called it, does NOT pull the mane. I just call it that. :P

And She's half saddlebred, I don't show her in ASHA stuff, I show her hunters, so a running braid would not be appropriate.

I don't pull her mane hard, and I don't think her mane was pulled before I got her. And yea, I've tried it with my fingers and she actually only shook her head. I am almost convinced its not pain that's causing the behavior.

And I wanted to roach her mane so that I wouldnt have to pull it but my trainer said not to and that pulling it is required for the shows I go to.
     

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