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    12-22-2009, 11:46 PM
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Neck reining issues...

I finally figured out why ever since I taught Lacey to "neck rein" she's been having issues with direct reining and having contact with her mouth! >.<

It's distinctly because every time I've been trying to neck rein her I accidentally pull on the rein I'm laying over her neck so now she thinks that pulling the right rein means go left and pulling the left rein means go right. >.< Thankfully I caught it before it became ingrained in her mind, we just have to do some serious reversing to do, training wise.

How do I fix it? I guess a start would be to start putting my hand forward when I ask for a turn, while lightly laying the rein on her neck, and having her work mostly from my legs instead of my rein cues. Currently we've been doing mostly half and half. I've been working seriously on using my legs every time I ask for something, I sometimes have a tendency to act like I'm legless and I forget to use my legs but I've been working on that.

Would you fix the direct reining issue first or the neck reining one first? I'm leaning towards the direct reining issue just because neck reining is more of an icing on the cake sorta thing...right?


An interesting aside: I guess this shows me what Lacey responds the most to, leg cues over rein cues. Because every time I neck rein her I use leg, and she never knew how to neck rein before... And now she's basically trained herself out of the rein cues she's been used to her whole life, in favor of where my legs are telling her to go. Interesting poneh. Haha
     
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    12-22-2009, 11:56 PM
  #2
Green Broke
For the neck reining, if you're using a snaffle, just cross the reins under her neck That way when you draw a rein across her neck for the turn, it will actually pull on the bit side so you're combining neck reining and straight reining with no chance of pulling on the wrong rein.

Doing that, you could actually work on both at the same time.
     
    12-23-2009, 06:06 AM
  #3
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Wallaby    
I guess a start would be to start putting my hand forward when I ask for a turn, while lightly laying the rein on her neck, and having her work mostly from my legs instead of my rein cues.
Yes, typically you'll want your hand higher and more forward.

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Would you fix the direct reining issue first or the neck reining one first? I'm leaning towards the direct reining issue just because neck reining is more of an icing on the cake sorta thing...right?
I don't think it matters which one you work on first since you want to be able to use either. I personally love riding horses that are light in the mouth, work well on a loose rein, and respond to your seat and leg. To me, it's a very desireable skill for your horse.
     
    12-23-2009, 08:41 AM
  #4
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I see very few horses that neck rein properly. The 2 ladies I ride with both neck rein all the time and last week I asked them to demonstrate a right turn.. Both neck reined the horse to the right but both horses tipped their noses to the left????

Neck reining properly is not easy. The horse must turn it's head in the direction it is reined to go and you should see the eye.
I always use a leg command with the neck rein. I get better results with my legs then the reins. Don't be in too much of a hurry to neck rein and laying a rein on the neck and adding weight to it by pulling a little is defeating the purpose. You need a heavy rein and just lay it on the neck without pulling on the bit. A curb bit does work better for neck reining then a snaffle.

A properly taught horse doesn't even need the rein but the shifting of the hand off center is enought to turn a well trained horse.
I always ride with my hand centered over the withers. The shift of the hand off center should cause the horse to move left of right to recenter you hands.
To me it takes years to teach the neck rein properly.
For those that do neck rein watch your horses neck when you rein him over. Does it stay straight, stiff or is is flexible and rounded in the direction you ask the horse to go????

Also when you way neck rein to the left does you body sort of shift the direction you want to go??? Does you leg automatically move to cue the horse?? All instincts build up without conscious thought.
Again to me the legs, the body shift mean alot more then the reins.

There are fast methods but not methods I would go into here.
Good luck but don't push the neck rein too fast. Concentrate on a nice rounded bend through direct reining and use the body and legs
     
    12-23-2009, 09:40 AM
  #5
mls
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
For the neck reining, if you're using a snaffle, just cross the reins under her neck
NO NO NO NO NO

Look at how the pressure is applied when you do that! The horse will tip it's head before it moves.

The horse should not tip it's head when you apply the rein to the neck.

OP - what bit are you using to teach your horse to neck rein?
     
    12-23-2009, 10:45 AM
  #6
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My first horse neck reined pretty darn well and I didnt teach him too at all. I didnt really know you had to teach a horse to neck rein. I though the rein just kind of gave them an opening to follow. I always just figured they followed the riders seat and legs.
     
    12-23-2009, 11:23 AM
  #7
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Originally Posted by mls    

OP - what bit are you using to teach your horse to neck rein?
Currently I've been riding her bitless in an "Indian Bosal" but she goes in a snaffle just fine. Unless someone tells this is a horrible idea, I'm going to try to fix this in the bosal thingy because she seems to have the most issues in it. She still direct reins marginally ok in a snaffle.

Riosdad- That is actually how I figured out what was going on! I was thinking about another post you had made about how the horse's neck should bend too when neck reining. The weird thing is that from the saddle, at least, she does appear to bend her neck in the direction I want her to turn but I'd bet that her head isn't turning too. Haha


This is kind of a dilemma. She likes having loose neckreining type reins so much better than direct reining type contact but I need her to be proficient in both. I'm really mad at myself about messing this up. Haha

Does it really work to cross the reins under the horses neck? I can see how that could work but then it also seems pretty dangerous if the horse were to get "energized"? Haha And it also seems like it might pull the horses nose back before turning...
     

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