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  • Flexion of the neck while neckreining

 
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    08-03-2008, 11:14 PM
  #1
Banned
Neckreining problem...

Okay, Sonny is doing GREAT for neckreining, but we still have bugs to work out.
Walk is as perfect as I think I'll get it. He responds great and I'm pleased with the progress.
Trot is doing pretty good, but I'm running into some problems.
He'll listen, he'll turn, and behave....BUT lately (just today) he's been literally sticking up his nose WAY up high when I first ask him to trot...but puts it down after about 3 steps. I have a loose rein on him, so its not his mouth bothering him.
The other problem with it, is that he will NOT take small circles for neckreining. He'll do it fine for direct reining with no problem at all, but for neckreining he takes a bigger circle. I know it's not a physical issue for he does it fine for direct reining. I think it's a metal issue. How would I fix this?

Also, for cantering and neckreining...I'm having problems. I don't want to use the carrot stick at high speeds mainly because I was able to do without it for the trot, so I thought I could do it for the canter...but maybe I'm wrong.
Try as I might he won't respond to it in a canter. Maybe I'm doing something wrong or maybe I need to go back into the roundpen and work in there.
Any ideas? Thanks
     
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    08-04-2008, 12:17 AM
  #2
Trained
Re: Neckreining problem...

Hi again,

Sounds like the usual learning niggles to me. I reckon you just need to keep working on the simple stuff for now, get that going really well before asking for more precision.

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Originally Posted by SonnyWimps
He'll listen, he'll turn, and behave....BUT lately (just today) he's been literally sticking up his nose WAY up high when I first ask him to trot...but puts it down after about 3
Not quite sure I get what you mean - he does this when you neck rein at the trot, or regardless what you do? He's getting defensive about something(maybe carrot stick, maybe you're asking too much at this time?) but quickly realises he doesn't need to be. So analyse exactly what's been happening in this situation & careful not to put too much pressure on him, but I think he'll get over it without doing anything specific.

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The other problem with it, is that he will NOT take small circles for neckreining. He'll do it fine for direct reining with no problem at all, but for neckreining he takes a bigger circle. ......
Try as I might he won't respond to it in a canter. Maybe I'm doing something wrong
This is where I think it's probably just a matter of more practice. Don't ask for tight circles until you've got any circles going really well. Don't ask for a canter until the trot's solid.... and be prepared to use the stick if necessary. I actually teach neck reining by using it in conjunction with legs & direct rein, not with a stick. You might find it easier to use those cues instead at the canter & in other situations.
     
    08-04-2008, 11:22 AM
  #3
Banned
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Not quite sure I get what you mean - he does this when you neck rein at the trot, or regardless what you do? He's getting defensive about something(maybe carrot stick, maybe you're asking too much at this time?) but quickly realises he doesn't need to be. So analyse exactly what's been happening in this situation & careful not to put too much pressure on him, but I think he'll get over it without doing anything specific.
Meaning when I first ask him for a trot he throws his head up so far that I can see his blaze on his face. I do not use the carrot stick for trotting or cantering...I only used it for walking and I never hit him with it at all. I'm not putting any extra pressure on the bit, or him. I'm doing the same ammount as I would for a walk if I asked him to turn. I ask the same way for a trot as I usually do so it's not like I'm putting pressure there either.

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This is where I think it's probably just a matter of more practice. Don't ask for tight circles until you've got any circles going really well. Don't ask for a canter until the trot's solid.... and be prepared to use the stick if necessary. I actually teach neck reining by using it in conjunction with legs & direct rein, not with a stick. You might find it easier to use those cues instead at the canter & in other situations.
The circles are going well...I can do good sized circles and medium sized circles perfectly with him, but it's the small that isn't going well.
As I said I'm not using the stick for the trot or canter...I'm just using the leg pressure and going over with my hands for neckreining...but if he doesn't turn, than I take the rein with my free hand and gently tell him I want him to turn. I'm not ripping his head over, nor do I feel I'm hurting him in any way. He is an open book so you can tell when something is bothering him.
     
    08-04-2008, 07:18 PM
  #4
Foal
How is your horse when it comes to leg cues. My gelding was doing almost what your horse is doing. I added more consistant leg cues. For example. When I want my horse to turn left, I use my right leg at the girth to help push him that direction and I use my left geg behind the girth to help push his butt over,and to give him something to move around. When I worked on my gelding with this, I noticed he started taking his turns more readily and tighter with more pressure. I also put him back in the snaffle bit to really start re schooling him. My gelding knows he's going to be schooled when he gets put in to a snaffle. It really helps.
     
    08-04-2008, 10:28 PM
  #5
Banned
He's fine for leg-cues...he listens great with them. I got him to where I could do alot more and he even did some neckreining in a canter (only worked him in one direction though).

Maybe I'm expecting him to learn it way too quickly...but he's been learning sooo quickly the past few times
     
    08-05-2008, 11:50 AM
  #6
Foal
I would really work on that bad side. My horses bad side is going to the left. My sister used to ride him and she always took him to the right. ALWAYS! I just always started with working on his good side for a short bit and then moved to his bad side for a log tme and then back to his good side for a short bit. That's way, you are staring your session off good and ending good. Its always good to end on a good note and not a bad one. Really try and school that bad side. Maybe he is stiff and needs somr lateral flexion sessions. Tats seemed to help me horse as well.
     
    08-05-2008, 12:44 PM
  #7
Super Moderator
What bit are you using? Curious...

I think... not sure, you'll have to post pics, but I think he's still not quite in a collected frame, which would throw him off balance and make him a little strung out, that means his smaller circles will be harder... if he's throwing his head way up like that at the start of the trot, then he's beginning on his forehand, harder to take a turn on the forehand,... I think he's got a teeny bit of brat in him.... Can I have him now?
     
    08-08-2008, 09:41 PM
  #8
Green Broke
I haven't read anything but the first post so if I repeat anyone im sorry

Anywayyysss. My show gelding had the same problem. Crossing your reins would help. Bumping on his mouth while going into a transtion would help with headset (depending on your bit). Or what really helped me with neckreining is I take the rein and lay it on his neck, if he isn't turing fast enough, I jerk on the other rein sending his head into the direction I want, then I drop them. The next time I want him to turn I do the same thing again. Eventually they anticipate a jerk and they don't want you jerking on their mouth so they turn. That's how I got my horse to neckrein.
     
    08-08-2008, 10:30 PM
  #9
Banned
He's slowly getting it...he still won't do a really small circle, but he's listening better and he's picking it up at the canter also.

I'm using an Eggbutt snaffle. I do have a western saffle bit that I might switch to though but not sure (I just don't have the curb chain...I lost it and can't find it)

     
    08-08-2008, 10:43 PM
  #10
Green Broke
Try using a curb It might help
     

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