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        08-10-2008, 03:56 PM
      #21
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84
    part of why you are using a harsher bit western is because you have almost no reign contact, which means you are using the teensiest slightest bit of a comand right? You have to have a harsher bit for them to even FEEL you...

    Did you say you've never tried draw reigns or you prefer not to? I can't remember?
    yeah I have like no rein contact...the only time he feels the bit in his mouth is when I have to turn his head because he won't listen.

    And I figured also that the bit is ONLY as harsh as the hands that use it...so as long as I (or anyone else that rides him) isn't pulling on his mouth or being mean...the bit is fine. Since for neckreining, I have like no contact at all with his mouth I'm not worried.
    If I have a friend ride him, then I'll use my eggbutt or use my Parelli hackamore (just the Parelli rope halter with reins hehe)

    Mainly I'll be using that bit for shows or neckreining stuff (or bareback because he listened ALOT better with that bit even with no contact)....for trails or anything of the sorts I'll be using my eggbutt.


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    You have to have a harsher bit for them to even FEEL you
    I'm confused on what you mean by that
    Meaning are you asking that if I am using that bit so he will listen? Then no he responds perfectly to a snaffle, but I can't use my snaffle for shows....I hate the western bit I have...and he responded GREAT to it even though I had no contact at all with his mouth.
    He takes the bit eagerly...I have no problems getting it in his mouth quickly...where as the eggbutt he doesn't take it too well
         
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        08-10-2008, 06:02 PM
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    Noooooo.... I was just commenting on why for western pleasure you would use a harsh bit. I know you arent big on harsh bits and I had seen in your post where people were showing correctional bits (which I also use) and I know you prefer not to use them... I was just trying to say that even though the bit seems really harsh it's not, just as you said... only as harsh as the hands.... not trying to confuse!!!
         
        08-10-2008, 06:11 PM
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    Are you using your feet as well?
         
        08-10-2008, 06:19 PM
      #24
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84
    noooooo.... I was just commenting on why for western pleasure you would use a harsh bit. I know you arent big on harsh bits and I had seen in your post where people were showing correctional bits (which I also use) and I know you prefer not to use them... I was just trying to say that even though the bit seems really harsh it's not, just as you said... only as harsh as the hands.... not trying to confuse!!!
    I'm not really anti-harsh bits...I'm more of anti-harsh bits with a person that don't know how to properly use them.
    At the last barn I saw sooooooo many of the girls direct reining with the curb bits (the ones that are REALLLLY high) and PULLING on the horses mouth.
    And to make it worse, the barn owner was the same way also....she put a high port curb bit in her horses mouth and was direct reining (with LOTS of pressure btw) and if he would toss his head, she would yank on the reins.

    That's why I don't suggest them because I know sooo many people that just don't know how harmful that bit can be.

    I doubt Sonny will ever be a western pleasure show horse since he can't give a slow canter for the life of him....but I've wanted to do obedience with him for the longest time now.

    The bit actually isn't that tall so I'm not even sure if it would put pressure on the roof of his mouth...I mean the port is low, but it's wide.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQnccXCgw4k
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65UpfctsSFI

    That's normally how I keep my reins if not looser. It's not pulling on his mouth and my hands are definitely not tight on the reins so if he put his head down to itch his leg and reins would just slide through my hands.
    And here's a picture


    Normally I keep a tiny bit longer (the reins) but last time ( a long time ago) when I put a shank bit in his mouth and I had my reins too tight he would toss his head so he tells me if my hands are too tight.
         
        08-10-2008, 06:20 PM
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    Originally Posted by Harlee rides horses
    Are you using your feet as well?
    yep normally I don't do anyhting with my reins...I want him to mind my seat most of all.

    But like I said...he's doing alot better and is doing the smaller circles now. We did alot of circle work today in weird patterns and he kept a trot the whole time
         

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