need advice - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 13 Old 02-26-2011, 09:04 AM
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,296
• Horses: 1
I suggest elevating your cues, like Clinton Anderson does and then just letting your horse cruise.... here is how it works..

(sqeeze, click, spank- it is a Clinton Anderson thing but not sure how to appropriately attribute it to him)

Sqeeze with your legs (whatever elg cue you want for canter)

If the horse does not respond, do not sqeeze tighter, but click with your mouth

If the horse does not respond, spank it, lightly in a rythm of one-two-three-four and with each set of four get more intense (use the ends of your rein or your crop)

Release all cues IMMEDIATELY for the little try of a canter. Over exaggerate- take your legs way off the horse, shut your lips, and keep your hands light. Your horse will learn quicker by how fast you release. Do this until your horse understands that the leg cue means canter.

Right now do not worry about leads. Your horse will figure that out and first things first.

Now to get your horse comfortable, cue and elevate if needed for canter. Be in an arena if possible. Let your horse decided where to go- DO NOT STEER, only keep it going at a canter. Let it completely drop stride before you cue and elevate cues..... sit on your horse and just RIDE. Concentrate on looking where your horse is going and getting your seat deep in the saddle. The only thing you need to do is keep your horse going at a canter. IT is very hard not to steer, but horses can only learn one thing at a time. So for now, just canter.... do this for about ten minutes. Your horse will settle into a ratable stride and once it does that, quit for the day.

I have done this with my horse multiple times and now he not only canters off lightly without lurching, but he also has a speed he picks himself, which is slow and steady.

It is hard not to steer when going towards mud, but I just stayed on and when he dropped stride, I let him know I wanted him to keep cantering, even in the mud or next to the exit gate or next to his friends. Don't stop after a minute, literally do ten or more of cantering. Make it obvious to your horse that this is what you want.

You can worry about leads, steering ,headset, all that other stuff later. Right now, just teach canter.

"Equine-facilitated therapy employs a form of biofeedback for practicing self-awareness, emotional management, and relationship skills that human role-playing exercises and discussion groups cannot begin to access." Linda Kohanov (The Tao of Equus)
Citrus is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #12 of 13 Old 02-26-2011, 10:00 AM
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 5,995
• Horses: 0
Thank you Citrus. Finally someone got it right.

No -- Clinton Anderson did not invent this method, but he does what needs to be done. I was using it before he was born and so do most other trainers that actually get something done with a horse in a timely and effective manner.

My life-long 'credo' has always been this:

1) Never ask a horse to do anything that it is not able and ready to do.

2) Ask a horse in a way it can understand (make the right thing easy to do).

3) DO NOT give up until the horse complies.

When you ask a horse to do something:

1) Ask nicely (and very lightly).

2) Tell more firmly.

3) Make the horse wish it had complied the first time.

4) Repeat by asking nicely again.

5) Never give up until it is done well enough to convince the horse that you call the shots and that obeying is not optional.

You are teaching a horse much more than the immediate task at hand -- you are teaching that horse what kind of responses you are going to accept from him from now on. This is probably the biggest single difference between a good professional trainer and the average amateur. A good professional trainer is MUCH more critical of what he/she accepts from a horse. They put a LOT more pressure on the non-compliant horse because they don't want the horse to think everything is worth an argument. When a horse knows he is going to lose every argument, it just does not argue.

This horse has now formed a real 'thing' about cantering / loping. It has gone far beyond a point where body position or what you say is going to make any difference at all. I will take a good spanking to convince this horse that going forward at a lope is the smart thing to do.

I might add that a bigger place than a round pen or small arena will work better. We are fortunate enough to have a 60 foot round pen and a 150 foot round pen as well as an arena, a small round pen and a 1 acre pasture to ride in. I have fixed several of these horses in the 150 foot pen with a second person on the ground to encourage the horse to go forward faster. This is not a very rare problem. It is an even worse problem with mules. They develop a 'thing' about loping much more quickly and are a lot worse to fix. I used to train a lot of mules and probably raised about 40 or 50 of them during the 80s. I made sure I loped all of them no later than on the second ride. If helped a LOT in developing a smooth 'horse quality' lope on one.

I have trained many good-minded horses from birth to show championships and never had to 'get after' them, punish them in any way or even had a major argument with them of any kind. They went from step one to a finished horse taking one step at a time that they were ready for and I never one time accepted anything other than full compliance. Obedience was a way of life for them. I was their undisputed leader and they never questioned anything I did or asked of them.

Trainers that actually make compliant, winning, competitive horses at a high level know that they have to pay a very high price for letting a horse 'slide' by and not give his best effort and comply with every request.

Do you remember the other 'credo' I have?

The worst response you accept from a horse is the best response that you have any right to expect.

If would-be self trainers and aspiring professional trainers do not take anything else away from my contributions here, they need to pay very close attention to these facts of horse training life. It is absolutely the way horses think and how they learn. A good-minded horse willingly does everything asked if they know there is no other option. And, the most amazing part of it is -- they are SO HAPPY doing it. The happiest horses in the world are those that do not think there are any other options open for them. IT IS THE WAY IT IS!
Cherie is offline  
post #13 of 13 Old 02-26-2011, 11:03 AM
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,296
• Horses: 1
I totally agree that the horse is beyond changing body position. You have to make it very clear that the only thing you are telling your horse to do right now is canter. Make it worth his while to canter.

I love that..."The worst response you can ACCEPT from a horse is the best response that you have any right to expect."

If you let your horse not canter after asking it to canter, then you can expect your horse to not canter when you ask.... however, if you stick with it, ask your horse to canter and DON"T STOP asking/telling until it does canter, then that is what you can expect.

"Equine-facilitated therapy employs a form of biofeedback for practicing self-awareness, emotional management, and relationship skills that human role-playing exercises and discussion groups cannot begin to access." Linda Kohanov (The Tao of Equus)
Citrus is offline  

horse training

Quick Reply

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I need advice! sunshineo0o Barn Maintenance 12 12-02-2009 01:23 PM
I need advice farmpony84 Horse Riding 21 09-22-2008 10:05 AM
Need Advice To Give Advice browneyedcowgirl13 Horse Training 10 06-06-2008 12:20 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome