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post #1 of 21 Old 02-21-2012, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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Arrow Need Help For A *HOT* Arab!!

Hello :) I have a 13 yr old Arab mare that is 14.1hh and ALL spunk. (Diamond) She gets fired up REALLY easily, and is super green. She is pretty hard to ride, but I love her, and see her has my little prodject. I have found that if I make her (and yes, I mean make her,) trot to a jump, and stop and back after each one, she is controlable... under 2'. Anything 2' or higher and she just charges it no matter what. This is why we are looking to get me a showhorse, because I am now jumping 2'9, and plus with me being nearly 5'7, she is just too small :'( I still want to jump her and teach her though. Once she learns something she is great, so I just need to work her.

So I need some excersises I can do! I have done the grids - trot poles all the way up to the small jump - and she does pretty good after a while of working her, and she gets better each session. Any other ideas?

ALSO ...
Her groundwork is really nice, btw. Her flat ... is okay. I can trot her in control, and if she does get too fast I can get her to slow down pretty quick. Her canter... I just can't do. Here is what happens -
I ask
She bucks
I kick
She bucks again
She charges
I one-rein stop (gradually, not all at once)
She gets all mad at me (She's very expressionate)
I get all mad at her.
That's only on the flat. After jumps, and on a jump course, she's got the most perfect canter... I just need help with her x.x Don't tell me to sell her, because I won't :) She is going to a trainer in the Spring to help her with her consistency and whatnot.
One last thing...
She's nearly *perfect* in an arena. Head sets good, listens perfect, canters smooth... the whole deal. So yea, she's a doll at shows. The problem is I can't practice because I don't have an arena at home - just my field, and she's ... honestly ... she's awful. If I take her to my trainers, then perfect! Problem is we can't trailer her back n forth all the time, and we can't afford to board.

So yea :) Sorry for the novel!! But I'm stuck x.x

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post #2 of 21 Old 02-21-2012, 09:37 PM
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If it's not pain she's just being bratty in the field, then.

I'd forget the jumps for a bit and just work on the flat. Do a lot of walking, trotting and half halts until she's nice and soft on the bit. When you're both comfortable with trotting in the field, ask for a canter, let her canter a few strides, then brin her back down through a trot and walk and go again. All I've ever had was a field and with every young horse I've started and worked in a pen for any amount of time has had the same issues with such a big space!!! They just want to go go go!!! And so, we do a lot of transitions, circles, stopping, backing up, all of the exercises I did in the small pen, just with loping added in too. It will take time, so don't expect an instant fix.

This video helped me when I was stuck with a horse just a few days ago, today, the horse worked 100% better.

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From what I am understanding. You are making her hot.

She doesn't have the basics down and your already jumping her. Your pushing too fast for her mind to handle everything. She needs to go back to a walk, trot, canter, whoa, back, sidepass, half-halts etc before even considering jumping her. Who jumps a horse that can't even canter under saddle? I would never. Where's the control?

Personally, I think your setting yourself up to a) fail b) get injured c) injure your horse d) injure someone else that is riding with you.

She's testing you, and she's winning. She's got your number...

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I agree with the above poster. I also am going to go out on a limb and mention your position in your avatar. If your consistently ride too forward, your horse will decide to go forward. You should stop jumping this horse and work on the flat until you can ask for a canter with no resistence.
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post #5 of 21 Old 02-22-2012, 01:50 AM
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Stop jumping and go back to the basics. You don't want to ruin her.
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I do know in my avatar I am *way* too forward - It's just the only halfway decent jumping pic I have. That was taken 2 years ago. I did spend way too much time on my horse's neck. A horse that bucked, bolted, and reared whenever I leaned forward got me out of that habit, therefore I have drastically changed.

Thank you for bringing me back down to earth - literally!! I will go back down to the basics, working on our walking, trotting, cantering, etc. The only thing I'm struggling with is how do I work her canter? Like I said before, she bucks, I kick, she bucks, I kick, she bolts... so... help? How do I teach her to canter if she refuses to do anything but gallop? And buck... As for trotting, we have spent a *lot* of time on it. She can trot all the way around now, though it might be a little inconsistent, but that's kind of because the field I ride in (a small padock, it can be closed off,) is pretty hilly, so natural she goes a little faster downhill than up. On the flat, as in an arena, she's pretty perfect. But cantering has me stumped... She bolts no matter if it's flat or Mt. Everest...
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Don't worry about the canter right now, especially if you are working on your own. You don't want to be dangerous, and I kinda like the fact that your field isn't perfectly flat because that will teach her to watch her feet. Can you go from halt to trot? I mean a crisp smooth transition, one tap with your heels and off. Can she go from a trot to a halt? You want to feel like you are floating, teach her to extend her walk, keep an even pace, it's incredibly difficult. Not enough riders school the walk, but it's a gait just like all the others and has to be adjusted, used, strengthened. She should also be adjustable at the trot, make longer strides rather than going faster. See if you can make perfect round circles, with her bent around your leg, soft, quite. There is much to work on and do to get more comfortable riding your horse before you need to canter.
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MoeMoe- Yes, she can do both of the halt excersizes. Note I do everything bitless, because it's just more comfortable for her, but she does do both. I will work on the gait modifying excersizes, they sound like good ideas! She does circle really nicely as well. We've practiced circles more than you can imagine ;) It's almost like she has many of the details down, it's just the foundation needs work. Am I right? Or am I still missing something?
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Jumper, I am glad to hear that your going to go back to the basics. I would suggest having your horse and tack looked over extremely thoroughly. Is she in pain that makes her difficult to work under saddle? Cantering might just be the thing that sets her off and she's pissy because it hurts, or she bolts because she's trying to get away from the pain.

Does your tack fit properly? Is your saddle too small or too wide? Bit pinching? Girth pinching? Nail poking her anywhere?

Your form could also play into this. If you get off balanced, it very easily can make get off balance as well. If you are leaning too far forward trying to get her to canter and the tree of the saddle pinches her, she might buck or bolt or do whatever to get away from that pain.

She could have something out of whack in her back or neck that is agitated from your posture or certain gaits w/ weight put on her. Just because she runs happy and freely around the pasture, doesn't mean that once weight is put on, she isn't hurting somewhere.

There are sooooo many possibilities that could be going on here. She could just be a spitfire and need someone that isn't afraid to ride her through it whatever antics that she may pull and make her listen.

Is there anyway that you could post a video of what she does? Sometimes having another set of eyes (or twenty) will help to pinpoint the problem. Without seeing exactly what she is doing and what is causing it, it's hard to say what to do to help fix the problem.

I really think going back to the basics will help this mare tremendously. I wouldn't even think about cantering her for at least 60 days, maybe even 90. Or however long it took. Lots of walking, trotting, backing, anything to keep her mind busy and learning will help. Trot to Walk to Trot to Whoa to Trot to Whoa transitions. You want a super responsive horse before adding anything else into the picture. (Cantering and Jumping)
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You have gotten wonderful advice, but I just want to add.. you need help from a trainer. A bolting bucking horse needs a firm reminder, and it's better to work through it that send the horse away and possibly get the problem fixed but not understand how to keep it at bay (hope you're understanding..)

But it would help you a lot to get a riding instructor or something.. just to help you both along :) Even once every 2 weeks would be great.

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