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        06-27-2013, 05:56 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    Since the horse has no respect or ground manners while on the ground, you definitely won't get any under saddle. You'll need to fix them first before you even start to think about getting on.
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        06-27-2013, 12:24 PM
      #12
    Foal
    I think bonding with a horse during training is important . Now my filly is very sensitive just like a person can be. This isn't my first time breaking a horse or training one but this is my first sensitive horse. I don't know everything or every way to train but I have been doing it since I was 7. "popping" a horse with a lead rope will just teach her to be afraid of me and I don't want that. I guess I should have mentioned that she is sensitive and asked how to deal with that. But I've even tried the hidden hoof pick (when you keep the hoof pick hidden and in a spot so if she moves into you she pokes her self and moves over). I also know that you don't wasn't the horse to know YOU are the one hurting it when they don't understand what they are doing wrong. Also I'm not denyingthat she is spoiled, she loves to be hugged and loved on.
         
        06-27-2013, 12:39 PM
      #13
    Showing
    I will get jumped on for saying this but language, especially yelling isn't really something horses, especially youngsters understand. Try rethinking what you do with her. You may be trying to teach her too much. Do you hold her right under the halter or allow her 4' of rope? A short hold often cause a horse to crowd with the shoulder. Try not taking to her so that you have to focus on what your hands are body are telling her. Carry a crop and don't be afraid to give her a good tap to move her away.
         
        06-27-2013, 01:10 PM
      #14
    Foal
    I agree with the yelling thing and I think that's why she tries to kick when I or someone else yells at her. I hold her like you would for a halter or showmanship class. So about 3 or 4 inches from the clip of the lead rope and I keep my arm bent a bit and out to my side so her head is a maybe a foot and a half from my shoulder, and she walls very well its when I stop her she moves over so her had is over my shoulder and her chest is to my back as if I'm protecting her from something.
         
        06-27-2013, 01:59 PM
      #15
    Showing
    Okay, I'm going to be pretty blunt so you may end up offended...

    You're making excuses for a horse who's only problem is the way she's being handled. The reason she walks right up on your shoulder whenever you stop is because YOU have allowed it and not corrected it. The reason she kicks out at you (for any reason, but I seriously doubt the yelling has anything to do with it; more likely it's your body language when you yell that causes her to kick) is because YOU have allowed it and not corrected it.

    Now, how I would handle this horse would be to put her in a rope halter and lead her everywhere, stopping every 5-8 strides. Every time she walked up and put her shoulder into me the way she does you, I'd go to yanking on her head or popping her hard with the end of the lead until she backed way off. Then, I'd walk off again and do that over and over and over until she stopped the exact moment that I stopped and didn't make a single move to come closer. Then, and only then, would I step to her and give her a scratch on the neck. You might not think her walking up to put her shoulder on you is a big deal...but it will become a big deal someday when she doesn't stop there and she tramples you (believe me, I've had it happen more than once with spoiled customer horses that behaved like your mare).

    Then, whenever she would kick at me, I'd spend the next 10-30 seconds making her think she was going to die. Kicking is never an acceptable behavior because it is so dangerous. One strike is enough to kill a human so she needs to learn now that kicking=OMG-I'M-GONNA-DIE.
         
        06-27-2013, 04:28 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Holding the rope only a few inches from the clip actually causes them to be more fidgety. They have no room before they feel pressure from your hand. They feel trapped. Try holding it about 2 to 3 feet away or about an arms length from the clip. I bet you will have a better time leading.

    Popping them with a rope or whatever can cause them to be fearful. If you ask with light pressure, tell will more pressure, and demand with a pop, they don't get fearful. Especially if you go and rub the pop away once they do what you've asked. It really is no different than the way horses behave in a herd. If a lead horse wants another to move away or knock off bad behavior, they ask with the glare and tail swishing, tell with ear pinning or backing up to the other horse and demand with a kick. Believe me that they have no regrets if they do have to kick out except the one that gets kicked. So popping them if needed, really isn't harsh.
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        06-29-2013, 02:24 AM
      #17
    Foal
    Again I will never go and whip the **** out of mine or any other horse with the end of a lead rope! I hate when people do that and when I see people do that to their horse it makes me want to rip the horse from their hands and whip the person with the rope till they stop like the horse would! It only causes them to be afraid of you! And same when they yank on the horses head more then 2-3 good time. Its rediculous! You don't get any where with force! Its teaching the horse and the only thing I haven't tried to get her to back off me (besides abuse) is holding the lead father out. I've pushed on her, I've made her back till she almost trips and id hold something so she pokes her self. And with the kicking you could just be standing there with her in reach and yell at her like yourmad and she will kick out at you and I've even carried a short lunge whip and have whipped herwhen she tried doing that and it didn't faze her at all. Trust me she is a horse like no other. I've trained at least 30 horses to the point of breaking them out and I've broke at least 10 I've never came across a horse like this one. BUT I will NEVER whip my horse with a lead rope to the point its almost running backwords to get away. That's NOT training that is putting fear into a horse!
         
        06-29-2013, 05:57 AM
      #18
    Weanling
    Oh dear....
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        06-29-2013, 02:01 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Oh...boy...okay, I agree, I hate when people 'whip' a horse, but sometimes a horse needs a good pop. Horses in a herd don't baby each other, and have no problem throwing a whallop of a kick until the other horse DOES back away. You aren't going to get her respect unless you tell her who is boss...that doesn't mean whipping her senseless, that means popping her once or twice when she needs it.
    Horses really don't hold a grudge if you're a fair leader and popping them once or twice, ESPECIALLY when they kick at you isn't bad. My horse tried once and I put the fear of god into her, she thought she was going to die for about fifteen seconds. Now I didn't hurt her, but I smacked her really good once and made her back around the arena and do some spins like her feet were on fire, she's never tried it again and I don't think she will, it hasn't damaged our relationship, and I didn't beat her, but I told her that kicking at me was not acceptable, and she got the hint.
    You're horse isn't 'sensitive', she's just spoiled, I don't want to offend you, but you DO need to get the respect of your horse, and sometimes poppin em pretty good once or twice is the answer. Other wise she will get worse, and she will
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        06-29-2013, 02:34 PM
      #20
    Showing
    Well, my dear, I'll simply wish you luck then. You're going to need it.

    I hope that she doesn't hurt you too seriously when she finally makes contact with a kick or when she finally walks right over the top of you....and she will if you don't get a handle on her.


    Also, I strongly suggest you watch some real horse interactions at liberty in a pasture. Watch the alpha and see how they respond to an underling horse that doesn't back off when they are warned with an ear pin. They get the crap kicked out of them...but they never end up scared of the alpha horse.

    I wonder why that is?

    A good horseman learns to treat horses the same way a firm and fair herd alpha does. They learn to distinguish when a horse needs a correction and when they don't and and they don't overdo it. Where horses start getting fearful of humans is when the HUMAN doesn't know how to apply the correction correctly and either overdoes it or times it wrong.
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