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post #1 of 77 Old 09-27-2009, 08:31 PM Thread Starter
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need lots of help. strongg horse

ok so this horse I ride for a woman...his names joe..lol


This horse and I have fought battles...alot.
I know that's not good but he loves to go fast. A lady that knows the horse before the ownerrs had him said he was awesome. He was well mannered and used to be slow and what not.

I ride him about once a week and so heres my problem.
Joe likes to go fast.i will get on him and he will start walkking.so I stop.back him up as he throws his head.(i only use a snaffle.sometimes a slow twisted d_ring) anyhow...then I continue at a walk..and he goes fast and faster as im trying to hold him down at the walk.then when I pick up the trot he extendss like theres no tomorrow.now, I can't stop this horse.if I pull on him he throws his head and goes faster.if I sit hee bounces me all around and well, goes faster. Then he will break into the canter...or gallop I should say.and I cannot stop him for my life..i don't see the point in putting a stronger bit in his mouth bc he will rear. He just has sooooo much energy.now I thought well, if I lunge him hell be tired.but then ill get on him and al he does is even more hyper.its almost like he gets more energized if I lunge him.and I can lkunge him for an hour and hell still have lots of energy.also, he LOVES the gate.he will glue himself to the gate if he could.

So sommeone help me..is it my fauly.i try to be ass relaxed if I can.i have a really good seat.i ride western btw.he rushes soo much and I don't know how to control it.he scares me to ride him. I can handle him but sometimes you just can't stop him.if you try he throws his head constantly and rears.hes never bucked except once on the trail.he bucked me off.but I have a huge rearing problem.should I trry to relax even more and loosen up with my reins/do lots of mall circles? How do I put him on his back end even more? Bc I don't think he is bc 1.hes reallyyy unncomfortable.and 2..im not an expert on being on his butt...but its almost like he flips his butt out to the outside if we turn in a circle.
Should I do lots of little circles with him?
I probly sound like I don't know anything but I've never had this problem before.

any suggestions. Please help me!

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post #2 of 77 Old 09-27-2009, 08:41 PM Thread Starter
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im adding onto my story bc theres so much more to explain.

So he always likes to run in the big arena.where I ride him. So idk what got into me that I wanted to trail ride him.so I did.then he was alot better on the trails.so I rode him bareback and he was like 10000 times better. So I figured like any person would, its the saddle fit.so I can't exactly change the saddle.its not my horse and I don't have another western saddle to fit him.so I changed the pad and it seemed alot better. I still fell that the fit isnt that great.so I have my english saddle im trying on him tomorrow to see if it fits any better.

I don't know what to do about the arena.its a huge arena and he just loves to drag me around in it. Could it be that theres just so much open space that he can't help but run? I wouldnt understand though bc we trail ride in huge fields and I can control him.maybe he just doesnt like the arena? Like he thinks he's on turnout? I know his owners don't ride him bc they can't handle him.(not that I am much better) but they don't ride so they don't ride him.when they visit him they walk him down to the arena for 10 minutes and turn him loose and he runs and plays.could it be that since they do that he realate going down there to play time?

Imm really not sure with all the possibilities so I need some exercises to help slow him down. Or some advice atleast.

Circles? Lots of walking? Trying to slow down the jog ALOT?!?! Please help me!!!

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Haha. I had this battle with the horse I ride today. He's an OTTB.

1) Don't pull. It'll only make the horse go faster.
2) Be very careful to not give any leg commands to go faster.
3) Sit back (although not so far back it's uncomfortable for the horse).
4) The trick my instructor taught me - as soon as he starts to speed up, try a half-hault. If it doesn't work, drop one rein and pull the other rein with both hands around to your hip bone, bringing his head back and him to a standstill. Keep doing this every time he doesn't listen to you when you tell him to slow down. Switch which side you do it, of course. It's tedious, but eventually he'll learn to respect your requests.
5) Don't make him stand too much. Some horses find this genuinely upsetting, so if you need to stay in one area, walk in small (not terribly small) circles. That way he won't become upset.
6) If you're the only one riding him, you'll need to ride more than once a week. For any high-energy horse, which it sounds like he is, they need more than that or they become unmanageable.

I only skimmed your posts (lazy), so I'm sure there's more. But I'm too tired to care. V_v
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Many horses need regular work to stay in rideable condition. I think a big part of the problem is that he is only ridden once a week.

What type of agistment is he in? Stable, yard etc? Also look at his feed.

Saddle fit is a problem. Mention it to his owners. Its as every bit as important as correct shoeing or feeding for a riding horse.

If you ride in a true snaffle teach him the one rein stop. Search for it here or online for more info. This can help you stop the horse.

Also, you have to start catching things as soon as they happen. In my opinion I would not take this horse out of the arena - it is too dangerous. As soon as he starts running (if you teach the one rein stop) stop him. Even at the trot or canter. Then start again. Work on 20 or 30 metre circles rather than the whole arena. If he starts to rush you can spiral in on the circle.
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In my opinion I would not take this horse out of the arena - it is too dangerous. .

But you see..i don't get that.he is great outside the arena..occasional spook but he is so much better.maybe he gets bored in the arena?

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I also recommend teaching a one rein stop. Even for a reliable, seasoned schoolmaster this can be a lifesaving skill for both of you.

Firstly, though, I think much of your problem is a lack of exercise, "hot" feed, or a combination of the two. Daily turnout. Period. Preferably daily turnout and a workout, either on the lunge or under saddle. What does he eat? Unless he's emaciated, cut it way back, or strategically wean him off of it altogether. Horses can survive easily on free choice hay alone, and your guy sounds like the last thing he needs is the energy that a concetrate or grain will give him.

My current pony had similar arena issues to what you describe, but not nearly to the same extent. He had minimal brakes or steering, and was attached at the hip to the gate. I did lots of NH style groundwork (Clinton Anderson's Lunging for Respect stage 1 and 2 are great) near the gate, and trotted him away to rest at a different spot in the arena to rest and be praised. I repeated the process under saddle; work by the gate, rest somewhere else. The gate sourness is all but gone; the only remnant is a tendancy to cut deeper into the corner by the gate when he's ready to be done.
I also did lots of "sloppy rein" work; just holding the reins by the buckle, put my hand low, and let him trot. I grab the pommel of the saddle if I feel off balance, one rein stop if he goes too fast. Usually, if Scout is full of himself, 5 minutes of that will fix him to the point of a relatively responsive frame of mind, ready to work and respond willingly. For you, however, I recommend doing this in a VERY enclosed area (i.e. Roundpen.). You don't want to end up in a runaway situation, a very real possibility here. The point is, there is nothing for the horse to brace on and pull against, no "holding" back, an allowing to go forward, but an insistance to remain in gait (via one-rein-stop). It takes a VERY secure seat, though, to ride out a fast, strung-out trot, and potential sudden turns. Please, PLEASE be careful with this, stay in the arena until you have good control, and get help if it gets any worse at all.

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but you see..i don't get that.he is great outside the arena..occasional spook but he is so much better.maybe he gets bored in the arena?
Sorry to double post, but missed this...

The arena may not be his favorite place, but that doesn't excuse his behavior. If your control is so poor in the ring, it's likely paper thin on the trail. If he does choose to run, there won't be any stopping him without building a habit of control in a controlled environment.

You can make the arena a less boring place by keeping arena figures interesting, switching groundwork with rides, etc., but you need control before you can do arena figures. Don't ride too long, if he's exhausted after every arena session, he won't want to return. Barn/buddy sourness may be a component. He might just rather vege out in his stall than work, and has the pent up energy to hurtle around until he gets his wish.

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All I can say is I think you and this horse would greatly benefit from the Parelli program. I could go into great length, however everything you need to know about fixing this issue is in the Parelli program.
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All I can say is I think you and this horse would greatly benefit from the Parelli program. I could go into great length, however everything you need to know about fixing this issue is in the Parelli program.
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ok well..more info for you all.

He's got 24/7 turnout all year.he has a nice grassy field.he gets grain.im not sure what it is though.and im pretty sure he gets hay.im not positive though on that.

We have a roundpen but its sort of small.i do alot of side pasing moving off legs and neck reining at the walk up there.backing and ect..i was fairly pleased with my results the last ride I had towards the end.except that ride was the first time hed ever bucked me off...but I was happy at the end

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