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    09-05-2011, 06:16 PM
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I have a horse who I bought about a year ago. Since then he seams to have been behaviour has becoming worse and now I am quite nervous to ride him for fear that he will take off or buck, which he does often when I ride him. First I thought he was just really skittish but then I thought maybe he just is messing with me and doesnt want me to ride him; so I researched a way to earn a horses respect. I found that lunging a horse on a free reign can get the horse to understand you and respect you so I made a round pen out of normal fence posts and had a go at lunging my horse on a free reign. He was good to begin with, trotting, not exactly on the edge of the round pen but about a metre in. After a while he started turning and comming into the centre of the round pen and kicking out at me. I excused his behaviour and kept pushing him on, soon he wouldn't trot and would kick out every time I tried to get him to go faster. Whilst I had been lunging my horse occasionally I had stopped and stood in the centre for a while as I had seen in videos and was trying to allow him to come into me, therefore showing me respect and then he would follow me, but he never would, he would just start eating so I would drive him on and try again a while later. I think he will come into me and respect me if I can get him to canter which I can never do when I ride him because he bucks. The only way I think I can get him to canter in the round pen is to touch his rump or back legs with my wip, I am worried that he will not like me after that and become scared of me.
Any Advice?
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    09-05-2011, 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by horsedreamerforheartland    
The only way I think I can get him to canter in the round pen is to touch his rump or back legs with my wip, I am worried that he will not like me after that and become scared of me.
Any Advice?
He won't like you?? This is honestly the last thing you need to be worried about at this point. Horses don't think like we do - a good smack and pushing around may be exactly what this horse needs. I honestly think you're being too nice to him. Kicking at you is extremely disrespectful and should never be tolerated. If he was doing that to an alpha horse out in the wild he'd get a kick he would never forget and probably wouldn't question his dominance again.

If he kicks at you when you send him forward, try making him back. And I mean back - a couple steps away from your direction doesn't count. The videos of you see of Parelli or Anderson the horse is sent forward with just a simple cue from the trainer and responds perfectly is definitely possible but your horse needs to respect you first. Get after him if you need to. Don't worry about damaging your relationship. He'll be much happier if he knows you're the alpha.

I wouldn't continue working with him without help from a trainer. Unless you understand why groundwork makes them respect you, you shouldn't be doing it. Groundwork/lunging is amazingly effective but only if you know what you're doing.
    09-05-2011, 07:11 PM
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Just a tip, longing in pointless circles doesn't build respect, it just triggers a horse's flight response and assures him that you are indeed a predator because you're basically chasing him around.
The best way to earn respect is to give him a task to do. Put him on a line (long line) in the round pen and when you get him moving forward, just let him walk around you (don't keep pressuring him unless he's not going as fast as you want) but when he does do what you want release the pressure immediately. That is how he will know he's doing the correct thing. Only let him to 3-4 laps in one direction, then ask him to turn and go the other way.

Also teach him to yield his hindquarters and forequarters. A horse that yields its hind end easily won't kick. And like horseloverd2 said DO NOT be afraid to touch him with the whip. Ask him first, then maybe smooch or click and if he still doesn't do what you want give him a smack (think of it as if you are a horse and giving him a bite to get him moving faster). The only way you can make him afraid of you/to not like you is if you repeatedly hit him for no apparent reason.

Ok, so as for getting him to yield; you want to get a closer hold on his head (about 6 to 3 feet depending on how much he moves around), take the butt-end of your whip (and really, you don't need a whip that's more than 4 feet, with a 5 foot lash) and tap his hindquarters, increasing pressure until he moves away. When he moves away STOP, let him stand a few seconds and then do it again. Eventually, but putting a little energy and pressure at his hindquarters he will learn to yield them from you. Same goes for his forehand.

Now *sigh lol, I know i'm going on and on!*, another way of gaining respect is to get him to back out of your space and come to you again in a staight line. This teaches him to respect your personal space, but not fear you being in his.

All the while you have to keep in mind that it is a great thing just to spend time with your horse, getting him used to your presence, maybe throwing a rope over his head/across his back until he trusts you.
    09-05-2011, 07:43 PM
Wow. Kind of taking a turn for the worse. Sorry to say but I think he is messing with you. And taking advantage of your "friendship." You got some good advice already so I'm just going to add my two cents worth on being worried that he will not like you.

I don't think horse's know our personalities like humans do. I don't think it is a form of "like" that they do something we ask of them. I think it's more out of respect that the horse does what we are asking them to do. I think if a horse wants to please, then that is in it's makeup - whether it is me or someone else working with her. I'm not sure they have the "capacity" to like us or not.

Just don't give up, whatever you decide to do. It's definitely fixable!
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    09-05-2011, 08:07 PM
I think this thread may be a bit of a carryover of another post you had about a disrespectful horse? You sure got some excellent advice from Tiny and several others about perhaps seeking some professional help and I think even if this post is unrelated perhaps a professional is once again an option you should consider. You lack the experience and skill to attempt to deal with a horse that is kicking and aiming at you. When a horse comes to the center of the pen and aims and kicks out at you, all bets are off, you are going to get hurt.It is not behavior you can just excuse! Don't even try to fix this, let someone with the knowlege and training do it for you. Then take some lessons from that individual and learn how to safely and effectively deal with the horse in question. Best of Luck.
    09-05-2011, 08:27 PM
Thanx. I guess I just wan't him to be perfect without all the fuss....
    09-05-2011, 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by horsedreamerforheartland    
Thanx. I guess I just wan't him to be perfect without all the fuss....
Nothing good comes without hard work. There's unfortunately no shortcut.
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    09-05-2011, 08:30 PM
What stands out to me in your post is that "his behavior is getting worse" and "I excused his behavior." It does sound like you are new to horses and it's good that you want to learn. The problem likely is you / your reaction to his behaviors. Never, never, never excuse misbehaviors. No matter how small, the horse will remember and will push more and more. It will get worse. And that is precisely what has happened.

Please search the training area in this forum for threads about "respect", "ground manners", "ground work" and spend some serious reading time here. If there is someone near you that has more experience and has a well-behaved horse, ask them to come and watch to give suggestions.

For the bucking in a canter, it could be discipline, excitement, confusion or pain. Just don't canter, but definitely check him out thoroughly for pain and saddle fit right now. If those things can be eliminated as causes, that leaves training and rider error, therefore give off on doing more than a walk and possibly even a trot under saddle until you have respect from him on the ground. I would also give up on the lunging entirely unless you have someone to help you learn. It's not as easy as it looks or sounds. If you are not consistent with it, or know what to look for, what to ask for and how to ask for it, you may actually be making matters worse.
    09-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by horsedreamerforheartland    
Thanx. I guess I just wan't him to be perfect without all the fuss....
The fuss makes them perfect. You will like HIM better when he respects you.
    09-06-2011, 12:28 AM
You should listen to the advice you've been given. From the sounds of it this is a bit too much horse for you and your a beginner to horses. In your case I'd probably consult a trainer. I've been training young horses for years and the last thing I worry about is hurting their feelings. If he kicks at you, charges you, pushes on you, that is 100% disrespect. My horses do what they are told and they don't kick or push on me when I'm walking with them and that's because when I'm there I'm the dominant one and they know it and don't challenge it. I'm not saying beat your horse but correct the behavior with you whip. Its not a decoration. Horse are pack animals not people and right now that horse see's you as lower than him in the pack mentality. If you don't correct this bad behavior when he gives it to you your going to end up hurt or killed. Be careful and best of luck.

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