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        07-16-2009, 10:18 PM
      #1
    Foal
    Need some training help

    I am really in need of some training advice for my gelding, this might get a little long (sorry a head of time!)
    I have a 7 year old QH that I bought in January thinking he was just incredibly lazy... but then I found out not only is he lazy but he is very green and very spooky. I have been very patient with him and have consistantly been working with him, but it seems like I am getting no where with him. He still does not willing give to the bit all the time. Sometimes he is great and flexes willingly for me, turns with no problems. Then other times its like he just forgets everything, fights with me, gapes his mouth open. (before anyone asks his teeth have been done and no problems there, I am using a soft full cheek snaffle, and no saddle fit problems).
    I have been trail riding him alot with another horse, and working him alone in the yard. About a month ago he had spooked and reared up on the trail, almost flipping over. He had only ever reared up once before this. Ever since I have not taken him on the trail, I have been round penning him which he does great, and just doing quiet work around the yard, working on giving to the bit which I am still having problems on and off with. I know he understands what I want as he does it perfectly sometimes, but then gets lazy and refuses. I thought maybe I am just babying him too much and not asking much of him, but I had another rider on him that asks more of his mount, and it was just a disaster.
         
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        07-16-2009, 10:23 PM
      #2
    Foal
    Tonight I had him out in the yard just doing walk trot and turns. I decided to take him further down in the yard, maybe about 20 more yards from the barn. He just started to act like a complete idiot, as soon as I started to make my circle towards the barn he sped up. So I circle around again, and the same thing. Then instead of just speeding up, he starts yanking against the bit. Then when he doesn't get his way still he starts pretending to spook, to the point that is is trying to leap forward. I ended up getting off him and walking him around more, then putting him away. I wasn't interested in a rearing horse, and yes I admit I am timid on him now after almost having him flip over. He has never been this barn sore, he is always slow going away from the barn and a little spooky, but not completely refusing what I ask of him.
    I am just completely fed up with him. I feel like I am to the point I don't even WANT to go out and work him.
         
        07-17-2009, 12:39 AM
      #3
    Weanling
    Sounds like you may need a good trainer to help you work through his problems. Or, you may need to sell him and get a mount that will meet your needs.
         
        07-17-2009, 01:06 AM
      #4
    Foal
    Ohhhhhhh I SO sympathize with this situation... without getting too long, I had a very similar situation.. my coach helped me find this mare who seemed so great, maybe a bit lazy, but she was quite underweight. Once we fattened her up, we discovered she was a total nutcase, she bucked and ran sideways and did so many crazy unpredictable things, and this was done ALL with the help of my coach who has been training horses for 40 years!!! Anyway we ended up getting a professional to school her to get her ready for sale, and she evntually DID dlip over backwards on him when he pressed her. I ended up giving her away, then we went on a search for the perfect horse, and that's what I have now :)

    Anyway the point of my story is, by the end I was terrified of that mare, I didn't want to ride her, etc, etc.. but it felt like I had failed and I didn't want to quit. It went on for a year and a half. I learned a lot, but the biggest lesson (and probably the hardest to swallow!) is that sometimes you just have to cut your losses. If you can't get a trainer to help you out and you don't have the time or resources, then get rid of him and, as 7Ponies said above, find something that meets your needs. A project horse always seems like a great idea in the beginning but sometimes there's a reason that a 7yr old horse is that green (interestingly, the mare I bought was also 7!) and that may be because they were just never started properly and it will take a lot of work and a really experienced person to bring them around. I gave my mare away to a jumper trainer (because the one thing the mare COULD do was jump huge) and after a year they ended up turning her loose as a broodmare because they also said she was just so unpredictable that she was incredibly dangerous.

    I hope that helps... or at the very least makes you feel that you are not alone :)
         
        07-17-2009, 08:15 AM
      #5
    Foal
    Thank you both for your respsonses. The thing that makes me even more frustrated about my situation is that I sold a mare that was contstantly rearing, even when being lead, to buy Logan. He was supposed to be my confidence builder, and now I can't even comfortable ride him around the yard!
    It makes me feel like I am just learning to ride all over again, which is so discouraging to me as I have been riding over 19 years! I used to be galloping around on my horses bareback, going foxhunting, eventing, gaming all that. And now I am terrified to ask my horse to canter. I just want to jump on and have fun again!
         
        07-17-2009, 10:32 AM
      #6
    Yearling
    Logan,
    I have been there too. I got my horse because I was "being nice." Long story short I was told she was a perfect horse and the owner just had too many horses and this one was really nice and should be easy to sell. (this is before economy completely tanked ;) She was "trained." She came to me thin. She was lovely at first. Once we fattened her up she exploded rearing, bolting, etc. Its been a year but she actually is fairly good now, though not w/o consistent work.

    It can be done. I have been riding for 35 years so I know how you feel. You may need to cut your losses and run but you also might be able to work through it. Do you have a fearless rider who could work with her? I had my endurance riding friend ride my horse and it helped settle her and get her to be more compliant. He just rode her on the trail and really worked her hard but fairly and she came around. Its on going. If I don't ride her every day I know I have a fresh horse to lunge and deal with.

    I would say its a respect issue with you and it can be remedied.

    GOOD luck.
         
        07-17-2009, 10:59 AM
      #7
    Banned
    Sorry, there's no quick and easy answer here.

    The horse has to be restarted from scratch. Either you have the experience to do that, or you're up for the challenge of learning, or not. If not, then get some help or sell him.

    If you do want to do that, then you need to understand that this is going to take time...as in months and months and months. So, no timetable or schedule. Some things will come quickly, others will seem to get better and then worse and still others will seem to be going at a snail's pace. You have to be willing to take it as slow as the horse needs it to be AND as slow as it needs to be for yourself to regain your confidence.

    Your most basic problem here is that your horse doesn't believe in you. He doesn't believe you're a good leader. He doesn't believe you can keep him safe. When you can show him that you can, he will do whatever you ask, but not until.

    The horse lost all its confidence when you bought it and it was moved away from everything it knew. Most horses will do okay for the first few weeks, sometimes even for a month or two as they try and figure out the new setting, who's in charge and so on. I call this the 'honeymoon' period.

    As time goes along their behavior begins to change. It is at this time when you know exactly what you've bought and it is at this time that you either take over, or the horse does.

    If the horse has had a lot of good training, is an easy going sort and the new owner knows what they're doing, the transition is usually pretty smooth. But if there's holes in the training, or the horse is a more dominant, or sensitive sort, or if the person lacks understanding, it can get real messy, real quick.

    So, the first question you need to ask yourself is; do I like this horse enough (not superficially like a 12yr girl loves all horses, but deep down on that other level do you click with this horse) that I'm in it for the long haul, or do I really not care one way or another and want out?

    Decide on that first. Then we can talk.
         
        07-17-2009, 11:59 AM
      #8
    Foal
    Mercedes- that's a really hard question. Do I love the horse on the ground and love his happy personally? Yes. But do I love riding the horse? No

    I know what you mean by things will go at a snails pace, I have had him since January and have consistantly been working on him giving to the bit either on the trail or in the ring. I dont' see how he seems to "get it" one minute then 5 minutes later I can't seem to stear him without him pulling at the bit. When I was buying a 7 year old horse I was expecting a horse that I could take out on the trails and have a good time on. I have started 3 different horses myself (I know that is not a lot) but none of them were this difficult. I can't say I can finish a horse myself, but I have had them out on the trails doing walk/trot/canter willingly and having a good time.

    Lovemyponies- I have had a more fearless rider on him, and it just ended up with me making him get of Logan after he reared up for the 5th time. The more more he was asked, the more he refused- and the rider was only asking him to turn in circles and give to the bit, nothing more than you would ask for a green broke 3 year old.
         
        07-17-2009, 11:12 PM
      #9
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by Logan    
    Tonight I had him out in the yard just doing walk trot and turns. I decided to take him further down in the yard, maybe about 20 more yards from the barn. He just started to act like a complete idiot, as soon as I started to make my circle towards the barn he sped up. So I circle around again, and the same thing. Then instead of just speeding up, he starts yanking against the bit. Then when he doesn't get his way still he starts pretending to spook, to the point that is is trying to leap forward. I ended up getting off him and walking him around more, then putting him away. I wasn't interested in a rearing horse, and yes I admit I am timid on him now after almost having him flip over. He has never been this barn sore, he is always slow going away from the barn and a little spooky, but not completely refusing what I ask of him.
    I am just completely fed up with him. I feel like I am to the point I don't even WANT to go out and work him.
    It won't get better. He beat you so to speak by forcing you to get off and walk him home.
    He needs a stronger rider, one he can tough him out and force him into leaving the barn. I have seen very experienced riders with older experience horses suddenly turn into barn sore horses and then end up sellling them or getting someone even tougher to work them through it.
    I am afraid that you will not be able to break him of this habit.
    Going back to basics and do what? He will always revert to this rearing and getting you off by acting up.
         
        07-20-2009, 06:52 PM
      #10
    Weanling
    Ewww, all of these are just green horse issues and unfortunately he is a little old to be having so many of them. It seems what your really frustrated about is his whole getting it one minute and then not another. You may be communicating perfectly but he is just trying to evade because submitting to a rider is new to him. The reason he is getting it for a minute is your are blocking his evasion, but that doesn't mean he isn't still trying to think of another way to get out of it. I felt frustrated in the same way when I broke my mare because I had her since birth. I was hoping that she would advance really quickly because I had done so much groundwork and schooling, but she still acted like a three year old. I gave up on ring work all together for a while and just took her on the trail so she could get over her spooking, mud, peacock, baseball game, barking dog issues. It really helped, but it wasn't my choice of things to be doing, I had pictured us laying down flawless AA Hunter rounds by 5. Now she is an extremely trained horse, suitable for small children, but she's 10, and she still can't do a flawless AA round, but I love her more than any other horse. It was a labor of love, and I haven't really wanted to go through it again, but probably would if presented with another one I loved like her. Your going to have to either be patient, even if your not understanding, and time on his back is what he needs right now, even if it's unstructured. Maybe go out on him and don't ask anything of him, other than he's not go right back to his stall, but let him stand if he wants to stand, walk, explore, he might forget himself and that your on him, and drop the act or get curious about his surroundings. Pretty soon he might think it's not so bad because even though you insist on riding him, he kinda gets to choose the activities. That's just a recommendation, not neccesarily a solution, a trainer would probably be important at this point if you decide to keep him. And if you decide he's not fun for you and your scared, than finding him a good home is best for both of you. We had a WB once that hated his owner, just because of personality, but loved me, because of personality. Drove her crazy when he would spook at a tree a hundred times with her and then I would get on and it was fine. He was just smart, knew how to push her buttons, I thought he was funny, so it didn't get to me the same way. Personality can make a difference and horses are supposed to be fun.
         

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