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        05-15-2013, 02:02 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Just FWIW, here is the curb bit I'm using with Mia:



    Some of the things I like about it:

    No joint in the middle that folds.
    Each side can be pulled back 45 deg before the other side starts to move.
    Each side can swivel out to the side on its own.
    Not very thick or very thin - kind of a "Momma Bear" thickness.

    Because of the 45 deg of pull allowed, I can pull back on one rein and it looks like all that does is put some pressure on the bar on that side. That normally is a pinkie of pressure on the rein, but it seems to work when Mia tries to tip her nose to the outside of the turn.

    Another that I tried with her looks like this:



    It worked OK, and at $13 is dirt cheap. Mia liked playing with the copper rings, but she didn't seem to neck rein as well with it. I'm going to try it with Trooper just to see how he does in it. Mia will probably stay in the top bit for some time because she seems to "understand" it well. It isn't a solution to her problems by itself...the work we do practicing stops and neck reining is a critical part of what she needed as well. Used WITH training instead of as a substitute for training, changing bits can help.
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        05-15-2013, 03:16 PM
      #12
    Foal
    ^^that second bit is the best 15 dollars I have ever spent:) I have 3 different jr cowhorse bits, and then that one. Angel likes the rings quite a lot, and she seems pretty happy with it.
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        05-15-2013, 04:16 PM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    I'm never sure if these bits work because the horse is just afraid to make any contact with them or because they feel happy in them so I'm going to 'sit on the fence'
    My pinto had been ridden in something similar before I had her because she had a habit of spooking and running off and she'd got to the point where she was getting her nose on her chest to bolt - and nowhere to pull from there
    She's now in a Happy mouth rubber bit and as light and responsive as any horse possibly could be
    I hope the new bit works out for you
         
        05-15-2013, 05:41 PM
      #14
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Should you ever decide to put her back in a snaffle, try the iron mouth loose ring. An egg butt is often too thick for the horse's mouth. People are of the misconception it's a gentle bit. It might be if a horse's tongue wasn't so thick. When a horse carries a bit his tongue moves and a thick mouthpiece takes up too much space.
    You're mistaken as eggbutt only refers to the type of cheek piece.

    You may think snaffle but even then it is not only thick, it can be thin too.

    And you're again wrong about thick bits.. my horse's mouth can support a thick bit as he has a higher palette. Some horses can't, so they'd need a thinner bit.

    It's about finding the right bit that works for your horse... NOT for you.
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        05-15-2013, 07:15 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    I get tickled on these bit posts. Especially, when the snaffle is supposedly used as a mild bit. In reality, the snaffle is one of the most severe bits in existence. Stop and think about it. The snaffle allows absolutely no room for the tongue. The snaffle has to rest on the tongue and every time you do any thing with the snaffle, your pinching the tongue down on the floor of the horse's mouth. The bit the lady brought you is commonly called a comfort bit. Why? Because it provides room for the horses tongue.

    The Wonder Bit would have been a much better choice than a snaffle.
         
        05-16-2013, 03:26 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
    I get tickled on these bit posts. Especially, when the snaffle is supposedly used as a mild bit. In reality, the snaffle is one of the most severe bits in existence. Stop and think about it. The snaffle allows absolutely no room for the tongue. The snaffle has to rest on the tongue and every time you do any thing with the snaffle, your pinching the tongue down on the floor of the horse's mouth. The bit the lady brought you is commonly called a comfort bit. Why? Because it provides room for the horses tongue.

    The Wonder Bit would have been a much better choice than a snaffle.
    Incorrect. There are snaffles with ports for tongue relief, just as there are curbs that have single joints that will collapse on the tongue.

    A snaffle is, by design, mild. They are mild because of the pressure ratio, 1:1. You can surely make a snaffle harsh; twisted wire mouthpieces, corkscrew, etc. However, the mouthpeice has nothing to do with it being a snaffle or not. The term snaffle simply means it has no leverage. What makes a snaffle a snaffle (the pressure ratio) is what makes it a mild bit, in terms of pressure and locations of the pressure.
         
        05-16-2013, 03:38 PM
      #17
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
    It's about finding the right bit that works for your horse... NOT for you.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
    I get tickled on these bit posts. Especially, when the snaffle is supposedly used as a mild bit. In reality, the snaffle is one of the most severe bits in existence.
    What???

    Snaffles come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, I have single joint, double joint, Myler type, straight bar and mullen mouth snaffles in my box and I will try all of them until I find something that works, and usually something will.
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        05-16-2013, 03:39 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sunny    
    Incorrect. There are snaffles with ports for tongue relief, just as there are curbs that have single joints that will collapse on the tongue.

    A snaffle is, by design, mild. They are mild because of the pressure ratio, 1:1. You can surely make a snaffle harsh; twisted wire mouthpieces, corkscrew, etc. However, the mouthpeice has nothing to do with it being a snaffle or not. The term snaddle simply means it has no leverage. What makes a snaffle a snaffle (the pressure ratio) is what makes it a mild bit, in terms of pressure and locations of the pressure.
    I am sure he is referring to a single jointed snaffle. And he is correct. Single-jointed snaffles have done their share of damage. Maybe that is because they are so common, or people think they can yank all over them because they are "mild". They can break a jaw in a heartbeat when used incorrectly. Anything you put in your horse's mouth has the potential to do serious damage. It all matters what kind of hands are operating the reins.
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        05-16-2013, 03:53 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    I agree with you completely, Sahara.

    The point of my post, though I rambled a bit, is that single-joint doesn't equal snaffle. A snaffle can have a port or mullen mouth, which will not collapse on the tongue.There are single jointed curbs with the same capabilites, magnified by leverage, of the single-jointed snaffle so it is not fair to say snaffles are the harshest bits in the world. Simply untrue.

    I simply think the term "snaffle" was being misused.
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        05-23-2013, 07:40 PM
      #20
    Foal
    Was trying to post picture of the bit I have been using and have been unable to. I took the pictures with my iPad. Can't seem to figure out how to put them into the post.
         

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