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    11-30-2010, 09:17 AM
  #1
Foal
New to the forum...bonding/respect question

I Just purchased and 11yr old Quarab gelding named Riley. The reason his previous owner was selling him was she wasnt strong enough make him listen. He was fine with her husband but he had no interest in riding. He will be coming home on the 11th and im trying to come up with some ideas on how to bond with him while letting him know im no pushover lol. I've been going out there every weekend and riding him. Once he's under saddle hell test a little but nothing a few circles or making him stand til he's calmed down doesn't fix. It's getting him tacked up that's the issue,he tries to walk away from you when you put the saddle on,and when you try to mount.Any suggestions would be appreciated. I do have horse experience I've been riding for many years and took lessons but this is my first horse.
     
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    11-30-2010, 10:42 AM
  #2
Foal
Just from the very start be assertive but not aggressive. If he does something you do not like, tell him. What I do with my horses is just play with them. Take them into arena with not distractions and just get to know them. But if they try to rub there head up against you do not let them. Push his head away and ignore him. That's one way to punish a horse with out and physical harm. And when he does something good, give him a treat or a good scratch on the neck along with a "good boy". Just take time to get to know him. Don't right out of the gate start training. Just go on trails and play around. Jump over some little jumps with him and just run around the arena. Hope this helped(:
     
    11-30-2010, 10:44 AM
  #3
Foal
Oh and for the mounting thing. For the first few times have someone be in front of him when you mount so he doesnt walk away. And give him a treat when he stands. Or just one day take the time just to practice that. Have someone with you and over and over just get on and off and give him a treat every time he stands there(:
     
    11-30-2010, 12:39 PM
  #4
Yearling
Forming a bond usually takes time. Walk him outside of where you're keeping him (if possible) and let him eat some grass. Talk to him a lot...like another person, instead of an object. Groom him and let him get used to your touch. With my guys, I'll take a folding chair into the area where they're kept and just sit in it. It's easier to do with just one at a time, because Rook is jealous. They'll normally come up and just hang out with me. I do talk to them a lot (they can be the best therapists...lol).

As far as the moving when being saddled. Try letting him smell the pad before you put it on. The movements may be a little scary to him. You can also use the pad to rub all over him. Let him get used to the look and how it feels on different parts of it, and he should get used to it. Let him get a good look at and smell of the saddle also. If you have a portable saddle rack, set it up with the saddle on it and walk him over to it. Let him take his time, and don't make him feel uneasy or rushed.

When one moves away when being mounted, make him move his feet. With the one horse that I had, if a female was holding his head, he was fine. If a male was holding him, it was dangerous for the person holding him and myself. What I was told to do in this type of situation is to lift your leg like you're going to get on. If he moves, make him continue to move. I left the halter on under the bridle with lead attatched. Just make him go in circles a few times (like you're lunging him), then try again. He should eventually get tired of it and stand. There is no quick fix. It'll take a lot of work and patience.

GOOD LUCK...and CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW HORSE!!!!!!!
     
    11-30-2010, 09:45 PM
  #5
Foal
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Originally Posted by LovinMyRy    
I Just purchased and 11yr old Quarab gelding named Riley. The reason his previous owner was selling him was she wasnt strong enough make him listen. He was fine with her husband but he had no interest in riding. He will be coming home on the 11th and im trying to come up with some ideas on how to bond with him while letting him know im no pushover lol. I've been going out there every weekend and riding him. Once he's under saddle hell test a little but nothing a few circles or making him stand til he's calmed down doesn't fix. It's getting him tacked up that's the issue,he tries to walk away from you when you put the saddle on,and when you try to mount.Any suggestions would be appreciated. I do have horse experience I've been riding for many years and took lessons but this is my first horse.

My horse used to walk away while I mounted her, and then wouldnt stay still when I was on. Her problem was she didnt like standing still. If she was saddled, she wanted to move, this may be his problem. For ground work you can use the t-team game, talked about in "what your horse wants you to know" book, good book and you can buy it off amazon. You can hook a lead rope to her halter (just put the bridle over their halter) and pull back every time they try moving. I never really had that problem because I always fed my horse while I saddle her. Lindseyhunterx24 has some really good tips, good luck with your first horse
     
    11-30-2010, 11:10 PM
  #6
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LovinmyRy,

Congrats on your new horse.! As for bonding, that really takes time, and I mean time, like months. It takes just hanging around with horse, feeding horse, taking horse out and helping horse through scary situations.
If I were you, I would look at a bond as a by product of everything else that happens, not the goal that you TRY to create.
If you have consistency in the way you discipline the horse, if you have clear expectations of good behaviour, if you provide leadership for him , you will get a bond eventually. It is very important that you don't look at it as trying to almost "buy" his love. Horses are not children or dogs or cats. If you want to make your horse happy, secure and happy to be around you, you must show him that you KNOW what he needs to do and will show it to him.

So, start off right from the beginning with disallowing him to get too mouthy on you. Maybe not hand feed unless your horse is polite about it, but keep treatst to a minimum and I would not use treats WHILE doing the mount up training. Only after the horse has stood for you to mount. If you give treats partway through, the horse will comply only to the point of the treat receipt and will be completely focussed on theat treat and not on listening to what you are telling him.

I agree with another poster that you start the mount up and if he moves, you move him, briskly. Start again. And again and again. Better to put in the work the first time and have it out of the way.

I also feed a little when I bring my horse into saddle him but just a little and he is done by the time we are done grooming. That way he has his head up and is paying attention to what I am doing, not prone to being startled with his head down.

Once you are in the saddle, if he steps before you are ready, back him a step or two. Again and again and again. However, when you get him to stand for a wee little bit, YOU ask him to move off (try to do this timed before he gets to the point where he can't stand still a sec longer, so he is released and it's YOUR idea that he move out.)
     
    12-01-2010, 02:37 AM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by LindseyHunterx24    
Oh and for the mounting thing. For the first few times have someone be in front of him when you mount so he doesnt walk away. And give him a treat when he stands. Or just one day take the time just to practice that. Have someone with you and over and over just get on and off and give him a treat every time he stands there(:
I agree entirely with the treat to mount. When we first purchased my gelding he would move away from the mounting block and take off as soon as I got on... now he stands nicely while I get on and get a treat from my pocket. Even if I forget a treat one day, the next day he is still fine..
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    12-01-2010, 03:22 AM
  #8
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I am really huge on the idea of your horse loving you, my horse is my relaxation, my joy.

But I differ in my methods. I do not treat him other than a scratch on the neck. I use nice words in a good tone.

I am not a brute, but I am not a push over either. With the saddling and mounting, I have the same issues, but I put him in a corner and leave him nowhere to go but the wall. I have had a lot of success with this.

I was told I was miserable for not treating him, but when I did I had a more dominant horse, and so I went back and now he still trots/canters to me in a field for a scratch on the neck.
I figure I am not supposed to be his best friend, nor does he want that. I am the leader and he would like to feel safe because I am strong, but yet love him.

So my advise, don't baby him, don't try to love him too much, this is not what he is looking for.
     
    12-01-2010, 04:05 AM
  #9
Foal
Congratulations on getting your first horse. The standards you set from the start of your relationship is what he will learn to expect as the norm.

It would be unfair on him to let him get away from things in the beginning because you are so excited about having a new horse and then expect him to change his behaviour down the track.

Everything you do with him on the ground will transfer and even duplicate when you are on his back.

This is a more detailed question thatn one post can answer, in reference to your question about him walking away from you when you are mounting..... this must be stopped and a new habit formed.

His walking away is nothing more than a learned response, and quite possibly he has learnt that he delays being mounted if he walks away. This response needs to be changed and new habits learnt. The best way (I believe mentioned before) is to put him in a position where he has no choice but to stand still.... whether this be a corner or a fence, whatever you have access to. The important thing is that he has no opportunity to go forward.

What you will find if you use a fence is that he will walk along the fence so I suggest a corner as a better option.

As this habit becomes ingrained in him you can take him form the corner to a fence, and then eventually mount him in the open.

You will be surprised how quickly he will change his habit.

Good Luck
     

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