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post #1 of 6 Old 06-24-2012, 10:51 PM Thread Starter
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Talking New Here and Have A Question(s)!! :)

I`m pretty new to the "Horse Forums" and so far find it to be filled with friendly and helpful people!
So here come the questions...
So I recently got a beautifully,stout,stalky black and white mare named Lady. I don`t know her pedigree or history although I was told by her last owners she was a rescue a few years back and well..believe or not that she is eight years oldf and was "broke"..broken? two years ago but she has INCREDIBLE ground manners and SPOOK free. Yess I know crazy buy but I love her to pieces!
So thats Lady`s background.
Now Im having some problems..
Nothing big but could need some help..
She has some issues stopping or whoaing
For example the other day she ran off with me because well it was kind of my fault I felt she had alot of energy and I didnt warm her up enough but she ran off and I couldnt stop her!
I did NOT want to yank on her mouth or yell at her or anything so my last resort was the one rein stop. When I tried to stop I sat deep in my saddle you know the whole process!
My neighbor who is an expeienced horse person recommended using a more...severe bit? Because I am using a D-ring snaffle on her. HELP!
Sorry for the..."novel" I just typed!!
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post #2 of 6 Old 06-24-2012, 11:26 PM
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Well, first of all, Welcome to the forum. i am very glad that your impression is a positive one.

I might ask how much experience with horses do you have? This would influence the answer someone might give you.

What kind of bit is the horse used to being ridden in? Did you try her out much before aquiring her? What else has changed about her living circumstances to make her behavior change? these are things to ask yourself.

Your horse's behavior can change when the environment changes, and that includes a new owner. If you are not as confident or firm, then she might have decided to "take over". Where was she running to? like back to the barn?

You can do a lot of work on improving her responsiveness to the bit that she has, before needing to go to a stronger bit. But, you can also go to a stronger bit. Both are options. kind of depends on whether you want to work at it, or just put on stronger "brakes".
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Well, on my expeience I have been riding horses for about 3 years?
I do have experience, I am not a beginner but Im not close to Expert either :)
I belive before she (Lady) was in an Argentine Bit?
Is this a more severe bit? I need to study bits more:/
My trainer recommended putting her in a D ring snaffle for training purposes since we believed Lady didnt have enough training under her belt.
As for me being "firm" I belive I am. Ive learned that being "too soft" to a horse will take you nowhere :P
When she did run off with me I think she was just too full of energy, not really going anywhere specific. The problem was just not being able to stop her.
As far as her behavior and living circumstances she doesnt to seem to have changed.
Also, do you know any drills or exersises that could hekp her be more responsive to her bit? Not be so "sticky" or hesitant when turning?

Thank you for your reply!
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Hi & welcome! Yes, having been around a number of horsey forums, I do think this is a particularly helpful & respectful mob hope you enjoy it here!

Agree with Tiny. You can of course, attempt to force the horse to comply to you with a 'bigger bit' approach. This often works, but frequently also makes the horse eventually worse. I think it's best to take training as slow and gently as necessary. It's possible if she was ridden in a 'harsh' bit that she wasn't actually *taught*, only forced. I'd personally get the horse going well in a halter/bitless/hackamore first, before thinking about a bit, or use something like a french link snaffle.

I'd start on the ground, teaching/reinforcing yielding in all sorts of ways, to the halter as well as to fingertip & implied(bodylanguage) pressure on different areas. Then when you start out onboard, start out asking at a stand & then walk, mastering that before asking her to do same at a trot, etc.

I'd stick to an enclosed, safe area for now, such as an arena or small paddock, so you can *ask* her to respond to gentle pressure, rather than have to try to force her for safety's sake. I'd get her reliably responsive in that sort of environment before taking her out. Remeber too that horses don't generalise well, so I'd also start with the 'easiest' stuff when out, before asking for gradually more. - Don't gallop until you can w/t/c!

If you look up clicker training & also Parelli's 7 Games, you'll find some good info re the specifics of teaching.

Oh, nearly forgot to add, if you think your horse is just too full of beans, what is her diet & management like? Is it possible she's getting too much high energy feed, or is she cooped up or otherwise jumping out of her skin for some reason?

Also when did she last have her teeth attended? Has she got any body issues? Saddle fit? Checked out by a good bodyworker? Because it's possible that pain in her mouth or otherwise is why she's running through pressure.

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when theres a problem on top, start at the bottom.
so if you are having problems getting her to stop while in the saddle maybe work on ground manners. get her following voice commands----woah---- in halter and then get back on and reassert it in the saddle.

bigger isnt always better.
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The Argentine bit is a curb bit, that works with leverage. So, whatever amount of pressure you apply is multiplied by the length of the shanks. It is a stronger bit than a simple snaffle. Not better/worse, just stronger.

If the horse is respectful of the Argentine snaffle, you can use that if you wish. I don't prefer them for use in two handed riding, but many people do it.

If you want to try and build the horse's sensitivity to the reg. snaffle, you have to be very clear about what you want, ask, get it, and release. the horse has to learn that the bit means something, and it does not mean "lean on me"

So, when asking for a stop, you stop your seat first (stop following the walk motion with your body), then just a half second later, you close your hands . NOt like flipping a swithc, but like you are turning to concrete in that half second. At the end of that second, your hands will be like concrete and the horse will push up against them, you do not give it a release until it kind of "bounces off' your hands and backs up a step . then you give a huge relase and praise verbally.
You do this a lot and pretty soon the horse will start stopping easier and easier.

The trick to making a horse more sensitive to the rein is to apply the rein , wait until you get the horse to give to the rein, and then release. Sounds simple, right? it takes paying attention so that you never let the hrose lean on the rein. it takes being aware of when the horse is trying, and giving him a little reaward for trying, and never "riding" the brakes. When your horse is just standing around, don't hold the reins tight.

This is a very simplistic explanation. I hope that you get the gist of it, though.
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