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        05-24-2013, 07:04 AM
      #1
    Green Broke
    New horse = New problems :(

    Hi everyone haven't been on in ages and I've come here to just spill.

    I got a new horse in jan, old horse was that old and couldn't do the things I wanted to do as he always went sore so now he's semi retired on 50 acres :) anyway back to the said new horse, Romeo.

    Where do I start, problem one, bolting, now he's only done this once and it was when I first got him, but pretty much what happened was we went out on a ride by ourselves, nice little walk and I thought it'd be a good idea to trot on the way back, well Romeo had other ideas, say a gallop maybe?
    That didn't actually phase me that much as I just figured he was an Ottb, fast was all he really knew. Been out on rides since and trotted with and without people he's fine, haven't yet cantered out on the trials though

    Second problem, he has developed this head tossing issue, which I should of bit in the but way before it came to this but I didn't... For some stupid reason.
    The first time he head tossed it was quite weird, we were trotting with my friend and he kept head tossing like he wanted to go faster but didn't, I didn't have that much contact on him as well.
    But today, well today he reared, up right vertical rear, nearly went over backwards.
    Scariest thing I have ever dealt with.
    The bad part after the rear I was too shaken up to do anything, just sort of sat there for a few moments. I was with friends as well.

    He had no real reason to rear, moments before he reared they did get stirred up by some paddocked horses next to us, but then he had calmed down there was wire so I put my left leg on to move him over and he goes up.
    I think that's what got me the most, I was kind if scared to out my leg on after that, he was jig jogging sideways, calmed down eventually and was good for the rest if the ride.

    It's just so annoying that he's only like that out on rides, I have weekly lessons and he's an absolute gem, lazy even.

    I have a dressage/show jumping clinic tomorrow, if he's naughty there I'm going to get the chiro out for him, but then I. Thinking maybe he's just got lots of energy, I need to ride him more, it's just so hard to do it when you work full time, I really don't know how some people do it.

    But if he is still a not right, I think I'm going to have to send him off to a trainer... Going to burn a massive whole in my pocket but I just can't deal with those problems and I really don't want to make them worse...

    Well that's me out, feel a bit better after writing e everything down :)
         
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        05-24-2013, 09:13 AM
      #2
    Foal
    Just start from ground zero:)
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        05-24-2013, 09:23 AM
      #3
    Showing
    He needs a good tuneup, someone who will get tough with him even feel the sting of the crop. He's likely done this before you got him. Maybe that's why he was for sale. I've dealt with horses that do this and often one good whack on the ribs during a misdemeanor shows him you mean business. A second whack often isn't necessary, just moving the crop is usually all that's needed. I had a horse that was jeckyll and hyde, if I carried a crop or didn't. He only had to see it and he'd behave.
         
        05-24-2013, 09:49 AM
      #4
    Yearling
    First of all, I personally would not let a horse trot or canter back home unless you are absolutely able to keep them at the speed you want them to go. Otherwise, you end up with a galloping horse you can't control. It can become a nasty habit.

    Secondly, I would get his teeth checked. It might be causing him to throw his head.

    As far as rearing, what kind of bit are you riding in? You may be contributing to the problem inadvertently.
         
        05-24-2013, 10:47 AM
      #5
    Started
    First off, the rear/head tossing says most likely teeth or he's been ridden by someone that doesnt release contact. My BO has a mare I love riding, but she could easily become a rearer if her rider didnt realize that she is very forward and soft mouthed. If you were to keep contact and force her to do what you want instead of redirecting her frustration(in circles, side pass, etc), she would rear.

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    It's just so annoying that he's only like that out on rides, I have weekly lessons and he's an absolute gem, lazy even.
    these are race horses. Being ridden out in the open, next to another horse, screams "race time" to most of them. With ottb's, circles are your friend. Lots of them. I get to work with lots of OTTB's, and the best way to slow a very excited OTTB down is circles. Just keep going around until they drop back to the pace you want to go, then continue.
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        05-24-2013, 06:59 PM
      #6
    Green Broke
    Had teeth checked when I got him, I ride in a French link snaffle

    I usually ride with no contact on the trials and he still head tosses, I think I will be carrying a whip on him from now on, just a small crop though, in my lessons I always have a dressage whip so maybe that's why he's a little but better.

    Circles are great but when your on a ride where it's 2 horses width apart curlers aren't really the easiest thing to do, I do, do one rein stops however, there a sort of circle.
         
        05-24-2013, 09:46 PM
      #7
    Started
    I would say start smaller. It sounds like a full out trail ride is beyond his capacity at this time. Take a ride and notice where he gets squirrely. So, if you ride out 100 feet and he gets hot after 100 feet, than next time take him 75 feet turn around and go home. His reward (going home and not working) is associated with good behavior. Then next day go 80 feet and build from there.

    I would also say that he reared out of frustration. He was hot and bothered, you shut him down from acting like a fool and he redirected his energy into a rear. You say he is lazy but how is his stop? How about his back up? I ask because rearing in my rather limited experience with my horse is the result of him wanting to go forward and me saying no. His big trigger is cars, he wants to chase, I say park it and he would pop up. He was also resistant to backing up. I started to work on his stop and back up to get him thinking that back up was good. Backing up requires a solid stop and requires that your horse gives ground (an act of submission) to you. If you can establish a solid and safe stop and back up it can help on a trail. He acts funky you half halt and slow him down or can back him up. If he has an awesome back up than I am out of ideas and either way I would talk to your trainer about the behavior.
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        05-25-2013, 04:44 AM
      #8
    Green Broke
    Well took him to the clinic and he was an absolute gem, so lazy, so much leg involved lol


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    I would also say that he reared out of frustration. He was hot and bothered, you shut him down from acting like a fool and he redirected his energy into a rear. You say he is lazy but how is his stop? How about his back up? I ask because rearing in my rather limited experience with my horse is the result of him wanting to go forward and me saying no. His big trigger is cars, he wants to chase, I say park it and he would pop up. He was also resistant to backing up. I started to work on his stop and back up to get him thinking that back up was good. Backing up requires a solid stop and requires that your horse gives ground (an act of submission) to you. If you can establish a solid and safe stop and back up it can help on a trail. He acts funky you half halt and slow him down or can back him up. If he has an awesome back up than I am out of ideas and either way I would talk to your trainer about the behavior.
    That what you've said there is spot on I think, he hates stopping on trial rides, he get all antsy, I have been working on it but its slow progress.
    I think maybe I will take it back to smaller rides as well :)
         
        07-25-2013, 08:02 AM
      #9
    Green Broke
    Just to let you all know, I am now successfully trotting and cantering out in trial rides with no bolting, can stop him for a few seconds think we've gotten up to 30 now out on rides he just gets figituey if I try for longer.

    He has reared since then but it was at a show and a horse behind us went crazy so I gave him that one, he hasn't reared out in trials though, he's still head tossing a little bit but not as bad, think I'm finally getting that under control.

    Don't get me wrong we still have our bad days, like last Saturday I could of shot the darn thing, but then on the Sunday we won all our classes at the show abnd behaved like an absolute gem, he redeemed himself big time.
         
        07-25-2013, 07:57 PM
      #10
    Weanling
    Wow, that's awesome! I just got my first horse, and we're working on some issues together (nothing like rearing, though — that's out of my league!) so it's really encouraging to see examples of people getting past things, and so fast!
         

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