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    11-14-2011, 09:12 PM
  #11
Foal
I learned that using transitions, enforced with a crop, helps. I used to ride a lesson horse like this. If I did a few transitions in the beginning, and hitting him on the butt when he didn't respond, he would respond to my leg a lot better throughout the lesson.
     
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    11-14-2011, 10:29 PM
  #12
Foal
Thanks for all the replies. Bubba13 I must apologies in advance I am a bit naive to the use of spurs what does spur stopped mean? Cheers:)
     
    11-14-2011, 10:54 PM
  #13
Banned
In some disciplines, like Western Pleasure, horses are intentionally trained to slow down when spurred so that the rider does not have to pull back on the reins and catch the judge's attention.
     
    11-15-2011, 12:25 AM
  #14
Showing
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
In some disciplines, like Western Pleasure, horses are intentionally trained to slow down when spurred so that the rider does not have to pull back on the reins and catch the judge's attention.
Woah that's weird.. I've never heard of that before. And that just seems against a horse's nature of pressure-release.. is it not?
     
    11-15-2011, 12:33 AM
  #15
Banned
Not really. You put pressure on with the spur, the horse slows down, you release the pressure. Same as pulling on a bit.

I haven't trained my horses to spur stop, but they are trained to back up from me squeezing my thighs, which is really a pretty similar thing.
     
    11-15-2011, 12:36 AM
  #16
Banned
This is the best video I could find of a spur-stopped horse:

     
    11-15-2011, 12:04 PM
  #17
Foal
Will he move off of leg pressure? (to the side) or is just that he won't move forward off of leg pressure. Can you serpentine him using your legs? Might be worth a try. :)
     
    11-16-2011, 12:47 AM
  #18
Showing
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
This is the best video I could find of a spur-stopped horse:

Western Pleasure Schooling ! PPH - YouTube
Oh okay, that makes sense. Thanks bubba

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If your horse isn't responding to your leg.. maybe you aren't sitting on your horse efficiently. I had a lesson today and we went over different positions. I was wrapping my legs around my horse, which wasn't putting my legs on my horse, but they were kind of just there.
Then I put more pressure on the inside of my foot so my legs were on him and brought my legs onto my horse. It immediately changed how he responded to my legs and we stayed on the rail for once. So definitely check your position.

But I'd definitely keep using your leg, but add a crop in there to help. Good luck.
     
    11-16-2011, 01:13 AM
  #19
Weanling
You need to start from the ground up. Start with gaining respect with showmanship work. Good ground work is going to be the foundation you need in re-training your new horse. Get him leading, and lunging properly and to both sides. Get him pivoting (on the front and hind - this is an in hand exercise) and side passing/leg yielding from the ground!

You can do most of this with the horse bitted, but concentrate on working on all these things with aids on his girth and barrel area, try not to work on his face. Work "on" his body - with you on the ground.

Then when you start riding, work on perfecting everything at the walk. Once you can turn all directions, back, circle, work laterally etc at the walk with YOUR body aids, you are ready to start working at the trot.

Try not to work "on" his face, while you are riding. You never want a horse to get used to you riding his face.

What kind of bit are you using and how does he respond to it?
     
    11-16-2011, 09:11 AM
  #20
Trained
I had a pony that was so dead to the aids it was a struggle to get him to walk... well within one ride using a whip he would trot without a fight, and within a week he was good to canter! Go without the whip and straight away I would have a pony that WOULD NOT move but as long as that whip was there I rarely had to use it and he was nice and soft.

You ask once gently and then get up them about it and use as much energy as necessary to make them MOVE. They learn very quick that it's easier to listen to the light aid. I don't have to touch Monty's sides at all to get him to transition upwards, just a lightening of the seat and a slight closing of the lower leg and straight up into walk or trot. That's when he's feeling forward - he does have his lazy days as well and I have booted him in the guts with all my might before. You need to be FIRM with them and I have been accused of being rough/harsh/cruel before while riding a horse that did not want to go forward but he got the picture quick.
     

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