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        04-19-2011, 03:27 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Laura,

    I have the impression that the horse is on one side sensitive as far as his head is concerned, but unsensitive to other pulses.

    I would not mount him: you'll be like a sitting duck.
    Challenge him on the ground.
    Does he stay behind you when you walk him on his halter? If not, make him.
    Does he allow you to play with his head/halter? Food might do it...

    Getting back to bitless: I am very pro - but bitless is not a starting point, it is the fruit of years of work. I even consider it as dangerous if not used properly.

    So my advice: groud work, ground work, ground work
         
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        04-19-2011, 03:59 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Sounds like something is wrong, if he was just bolshy he would be trying to shove you with his head or itch his face on you. Perhaps someone has whacked him round the face with a halter before, or done Parelli to him?

    First off, get his back, teeth and eyesight checked, and get him trotted up to be soundness scored.

    Then, if the vet can't find anything, ride him in a headcollar. I know it's nice and proper to get them perfect on the ground first, but just get on him. Horses are so much more settled when they are in proper work, and he can't shove you around when you're on him, you can start to suss him out undersaddle. This isn't just my own advice, I worked for an international eventer who did a lot with 'problem horses', and he drilled it into me.

    What bit was he in? If it was something horrible, like a straight bar or something with shanks, who can blame him? You basically need to treat him as you would a youngster who had never been bridled, starting small and getting him used to each component of the bridle, the bit last. When you do bit him, use a happy mouth snaffle, and progress onto a loose ring french link in sweet iron when he is ready.
         
        04-20-2011, 12:01 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Well I got a bit in his mouth yesterday. With no problem. Wierd.

    But he is still throwing his head and invading my space. We attempted to give him a bath yesterday, but the second the other horse got too far away he went nuts. So we tied him. He ran around in circles and jerked his head and pawed the ground. He was upset.

    But I feel like he needs to get over the fear of being away from our other horse or I will never be able to work him. Any more advice on the head tossing or the seperation anxiety?
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        04-20-2011, 10:12 PM
      #14
    Showing
    Lets start with him paying attention to you, nothing else. Use a knotted halter and long lead rope and hold your rt hand about 30" down the rope from his jaw. Start walking and periodically flap your elbows (chicken dance) If he gets whacked it's his fault, he'll learn to better pay mind. And he won't associate your elbow with your hand. He's not headshy, he's learned how well the "camel" act works. If something else draws his attention make him move his hips laterally. Use your lunge whip with the lightest taps if need be. It's easier for your to walk toward his hip and follow them in a circle than it is for him and he'll want to stop. Allow this and ask him to stand quietly. He might for a few seconds so back to moving his butt again. His quiet standing time will gradually lengthen as he learns he can either stand still or work. It's his decision. Use a watch and when he's up to a minute walk him off and do something that's pleasant for him.
         
        04-20-2011, 10:50 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Levade    
    Sounds like something is wrong, if he was just bolshy he would be trying to shove you with his head or itch his face on you. Perhaps someone has whacked him round the face with a halter before, or done Parelli to him?

    First off, get his back, teeth and eyesight checked, and get him trotted up to be soundness scored.

    Then, if the vet can't find anything, ride him in a headcollar. I know it's nice and proper to get them perfect on the ground first, but just get on him. Horses are so much more settled when they are in proper work, and he can't shove you around when you're on him, you can start to suss him out undersaddle. This isn't just my own advice, I worked for an international eventer who did a lot with 'problem horses', and he drilled it into me.

    What bit was he in? If it was something horrible, like a straight bar or something with shanks, who can blame him? You basically need to treat him as you would a youngster who had never been bridled, starting small and getting him used to each component of the bridle, the bit last. When you do bit him, use a happy mouth snaffle, and progress onto a loose ring french link in sweet iron when he is ready.

    Sorry, but you obviously know nothing about Parelli or Nh at all. To even use whacking around his face or done parrelli is a comparison like that is, IMO, a bit ignorant.

    I also agree whole heartedly with the majority here, who say that you should do more ground work, get him respecting you and listening to you, then get on, and do it slowly. I am a bit cautious, and perhaps done find the ground as appealing as Levade.

    I happen to have one who does the same thing whith his head, not badly, but just rather unexpectedly at times. Throws it in the air. He can be standing there nearly sleeping, and I go to touch him-and the head flies up. It is a bit better after a year of owning him, but it has taken time. I also make him lower his head and relax when he gets high=headed, which helps. You have to start with pressure on the poll with one hand, and gentle downward pressure on the lead with the other. The slightest drop of the head-release the pressure, pet him, praise him and do it again. Before long, that head will go right down with the slightest pressure on the poll.
         
        09-09-2013, 12:23 PM
      #16
    Foal
    How has the progress been?
    Ground work is so important. Just getting on is just an accident waiting to happen.
         
        09-09-2013, 01:48 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Clinton. Anderson.
    It's worked miracles with my 17H pushy beast.
         
        09-09-2013, 03:34 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Thats great. I'm doing it with my crazy little spit fire. Its helped alot there too.
         

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