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    01-23-2011, 12:53 PM
I so totally agree with what everyone has said so far. The horse is going to very badly hurt or maybe even kill someone. What is being said is to helpfully prevent any of those two scenarios from happening and keep everyone safe. Even for an experienced horseperson the things the horse is doing would be a very long, drawn out process. Then the question would be is 'it worth the risks involved'? Consulting with a Vet should be high on the list.
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    01-23-2011, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by Diamonte    
How will the Vet Geld him if he won't let us near him, I have spoken to a trainer that wants to come evaluate him in the warmer weather. What is the average cost of Gelding?
Usually around my part of the country, the vets have people and methods to safely corral and catch horses that are problems. For example, a friend of mine used a round pen panel to create a triangle in a corner of the corral, and was able to swing the panel against the horse like a squeeze chute. With your guy, the person on the end of the panel is at risk if the stallion decides to kick; the person in front is at risk if he decides to rear. If there's anyone who has been able to handle the stallion in the past (e.g. Your uncle?) maybe the best thing is for him to be present to catch, halter, and tie the stallion so that the vet can safely approach.

Gelding fees around here are around $250. For a mature stallion, the price will possibly be higher because the "equipment" is already developed and it is a more serious surgery with potential for bleeding and infection. You should discuss this carefully with the vet because you will need to be able to care for him after the surgery. He will need some exercise but not too much; he will need to be hosed and you will need to be able to check for excessive bleeding, swelling, and infection. With my colt, it was nice to be able to look underneath there while he was standing still. You can't count on being able to do that now without getting your skull kicked in. If he's not letting you near him now, it's not reasonable to expect that he's going to be gentler after surgery. (It will take months for the hormones to settle down and this is a behavior issue, not just a hormone issue.)

Is the trainer waiting for spring, or just for temps to get above 0? The training isn't something that can wait until spring unless you are okay with leaving him alone and untouched until then...
    01-23-2011, 11:31 PM
Ok, I understand, we have been able to comb his mane a little from outside the fence. He still is nasty when he eats his oats, or feed. I will call the Vet ASAP and also appreciate all the concern. My gut tells me there is a nice but spirited horse in there just in need of manners. He strikes me as a spoiled child who was always given his way. I have a trainer coming in the spring to evaluate him. Does anyone have any trainers that live and work in the NE, PA area?
    01-23-2011, 11:36 PM
The trainer does not want to come until the temp is above 35 degrees.
    01-24-2011, 09:51 AM
You need to get a different trainer then and you need to deal with this now. Call your local vets, or local barns and see if they can refer you to a local professional trainer. Good luck :)
    01-24-2011, 10:19 AM
Can you geld him & send him back to your Uncle until spring? If you keep him until spring & are not able to do anything with him he will be much, much worse to deal with when the time comes as he will be more set in his ways. He is only doing what nature tells him to try to cope with his new situation. If you cannot establish dominance over him now it will get worse, maybe to the point where your trainer may not think he is worth the risk.
So again, I suggest sending him back after gelding, let his hormones settle down & try again in spring. That will give you & him the best chance for success.
    01-24-2011, 10:51 AM
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I agree that after he is gelded doesn't mean he will be instantly a good guy. Its great you have a positive attitude about his disposition. Just stay safe. As for waiting for training. No waiting! It will only get worse. Also, I have to disagree sending him back to your uncles after he is gelded.

Reason, the more you go out and do whatever you can with him or even just sitting on the outside of the fence and being with him and talking to him will help him. My other question. Does he absolutely need grain, oats? If not, maybe don't give it to him. Only until you are able to establish some form of relationship with him. Maybe have the bucket with you and give him a handful at a time. You are a good thing when the oats are around. That would be worth trying. ?? Good luck and stay safe!
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    01-24-2011, 11:19 AM
It seems that none of us know what your plans are for this guy. For all we know you got him to breed him, and every single one of us (including me) says GELD HIM! So what are your hopes for this guy? If you're looking for a quiet trail horse, you've got a long journey ahead of you, and that may never turn into exactly what you wanted.

I may be wrong, but based on your responses I'm wondering how much experience you've had with owning horses. While a trainer would be absolutely necessary, he can only giving you a starting point. You have to be able to replicate his success. Clearly this horse considers himself boss, until proven otherwise with everyone he meets (I'm assuming your uncle did not have these issues). If you don't think that you could do that in a safe matter, DEFINITELY consider alternative options. Being gelded this late in the game, he will most likely keep MANY stallion tendencies, and yes, may still be the dangerous horse he is now.

Finally, why did your Uncle give this horse up? He may not be very happy with getting a gelding back if he gave you a stallion so if you're toying with the idea of sending him back, be sure to discuss that with your uncle. If you don't think that your uncle wants him back, and you don't feel comfortable continuing with him, then list him for sale as a stallion that you can geld before sale, it opens him up to a whole new market. E honest about his behavior and need for an experienced handler and trainer. There are a lot of people with stallion experience, and a lot of those people may be better equipt to deal with his attitude. (which, I repeat, may not change a whole lot after he's been gelded- yes the hormones that rule his intentions will no longer be there in such force, but he's had 15 years to learn how to be an a$$ hole and will definitely need training.)

If your trainer refuses to come out until its warmer, get a different trainer. You don't need someone in a few months, you need someone now. And you're going to need someone willing to put in the time and energy no matter the temperature or weather.

Until you make a decision, I agree that spending time in his general vicinity will help get him acclimated to you and may help with his aversion to any contact with you. Just keep a safe distance until you feel comfortable that his isn't giving those aggressive signs.

Good luck and stay safe!
    01-24-2011, 04:43 PM
He's not a wild mustang not used to the sight of people. He's an aggressive stallion who wants to call the shots. If the owner is afraid (& she should be) but isn't sure how to handle to it he will take advantage & get even worse. Better to do nothing than the wrong thing until someone is able to teach him manners.
Could the Uncle come out & work with you & the horse?
    01-24-2011, 05:11 PM
I don't think anyone should work with this horse until a professional trainer IMO, I think he should be gelded first, before anyone tries to work with him, that's just IMO.

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