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post #11 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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How long have ya had him before you started riding him ? Maybe that has something to do with it ? Maybe riding him in an arena or some enclosed area first and that gradually start from there? I am just now about to ride my new horse and I have had him a month and a half . I am fairly new to this also, although I do have riding experience , but I have been grooming him daily , going out with him and haltering him up and walking him around and someone on here had told me to build trust with me and the horse to take him out and have him walk over stuff , like logs and mentioned a tarp. I don't know if this helps but I do know that horses can feel our emotions so maybe if your son is nervous it's making the horse nervous or aware to play on that fear??? Again I don't know if this helps or not , but good luck!
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Thanks for the replies!

There was a pre-purchase vet exam and the vet said that everything looked good, except he did say that he could use a few pounds, but that was being pretty picky. He did say that the teeth looked good too.

The trainer, yesterday, did say that everything looked good with the saddle and that nothing looked to be pinching him (this was before he bolted) and shouldn't keep him from moving. He didn't try him on a bit while he was here. When the horse was throwing his head back, the trainer said that he could use a bit, but didn't say what kind or anything more about it. He did say that the change in environments could be causing a problem. The horse had previously been kept in a pen that was about an acre that was used as their arena. There wasn't any grass. They fed him hay and a locally milled pellet that they said was 12% protein. We have 4 pastures (about 5 acres each) that we keep the horse and our old pony (she is not ridden) in and there is plenty of good grass. We are also feeding him Purina Strategy and the trainer said that may have made him "hot" although wasn't familiar with that feed. He also said that he probably has always been ridden with other horses (therapy and trailriding) and could be nervous riding alone. The "trail" that he had my son take him down isn't a narrow trail. It is an old logging road that we cleaned up with our tractor to make it a nice smooth ridding road.

I did talk to the other trainer this morning and he wants to work with the horse and then work with my son and the horse together. He is also going to give my son lessons with one of their horses. He wants to try different saddles to see if that my be the problem. He trains barrel horses and roping horses and said that maybe the horse just needs a job. We don't have an arena or round pen, so we will be bringing the horse to him. Hopefully this will work out. I wish that we could have brought him sooner, but they have been training for some rodeos and things are now calming down for them.
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post #13 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 03:08 PM
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Did the vet use hoof nippers, have someone trot him off and back. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but his behaviour indicates soreness in his front hooves. That could be why he was a therapy horse, that he was fine at the walk with lighter riders. I am not impressed with the trainer you hired as there were a few things that should have been done before your son mounted up and during the initial ride. Your son should have been on a lunge line or within the confines of a small paddock to assure your son's safety.
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post #14 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 03:29 PM
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I have to say, I wouldn't make your son the test subject of retraining this horse. The first thing I disliked about reading this was that the trainer didn't get on the horse himself at all, but let your son get TERRIFIED trying to make this horse do what everyone wanted it to do.

I'd be worried that putting your son in those situations will forever affect his riding and his confidence in his horse.

Someone else, not your son, needs to rework this horse and give you guys lessons in the meantime. It can be done all at once with a good trainer. The trainer can EXPLAIN why he/she is doing what he/she does and show you how to correct on your own for the time when the trainer will no longer be there.

Edit: Just saw your post about the new trainer, and that sounds MUCH better.
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post #15 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 03:30 PM
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I don't think this is a problem with the horse as much as it is the rider

You just bought the horse. IMO, you're going to have to give this horse some time to bond with you and your son. Friendship works both ways. Just because you want to immediately befriend the horse, he's not sure you're his master yet.

As neither of you know how to ride, the horse is trying you and neither of you know what the horse expects so he's setting the rules.

I'd just keep spending time with the horse, groom him, feed him, hang out with him and ride him in a round pen or small paddock.

Really, I think your expecting to much to fast.

Like everything else, you get out of it what you put into it. Be consistent, pay your dues, and I think the horse will get back to his old self.

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post #16 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 04:20 PM
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Coming from someone who owns an Arabian gelding, give him a chance. Under all that nut sauce is a wonderful, loyal creature. You just have to get there. Good luck! Keep us updated!
I second this! Mine was a nightmare. I almost sold her in April... thank god I didn't because she is a dream now!

If your son wants THIS horse and you are financially able to pay for lessons and training, put the horse in training and get some lessons! In fact I would have recommended lessons before even getting your first horse.

If you don't want to go that route, you can always consider leasing the horse out. Maybe put an ad up on your local craigslist for a project lease, maybe a student will be willing to take him on this summer.

Another option is get rid of him and get an older (20's maybe?), slower, healthy and sound quarter horse that has 'been there done that'.

Just my advice :) If I was in your area I would love to help you guys out.
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post #17 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 05:19 PM
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i think this new trainer sounds better, and working wtih horse and son together is great. Best of luck, and I hope that some time in the future, your son will look back on these times and laugh at the memory.
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I have a dead calm 25 year old appaloosa that I use for company to ride. Last weekend, my daughter brought out her young sister in law (about 12) to ride. The horse did fine for a while. Then she just wanted to park in the shade. The lazy old horse knew that this girl was small and not willing to be a bully, so she took advantage of her. If she could try her a few more times, she would probably be fine. The horse is just too experienced. She knows who will make her work and who won't. Hopefully with the trainer and the lessons, your horse will work out great.
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post #19 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 08:58 PM
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I agree with multiple points on here about an inexperienced rider, trainer, etc. But, I reread the OP and the single fact that the horse wouldn't go any faster than a slow walk with the orginal owner still is very concerning that this could be a physical issue for this horse. Did the vet do radiographs? I am super concerned that if all is blamed on a "training" may all back fire & your son could get hurt! Not every issue is "a horse being difficult" or "testing" for who's running the show....yep, happens but why not rule out for sure that there are no physical Navicular disease

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post #20 of 33 Old 06-23-2012, 09:06 PM
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I truly stand by my initial thought that this horse needs to get ridden by a trainer. They can determine if the horse is fit for its purpose, knead out any bad habits, and figure out if there's anything going on and if a vet needs to be involved (but they passed PPE...)

And to stick your kid in schooling lessons on other horses in the mean time.

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