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        04-01-2013, 08:37 AM
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    New ride, new problems

    After 4 years of "starting" a pony mare, teaching her all the basics, from ground, respect to human, from he saddle, firstly on my own, later with some trainers, in the end managing to take part in few local competitions,... we had to split, and go each a different way Anyway, I managed to find new riding.

    And she is as similar to the horse the pony mare used to be in the beginning, abut as well very different....

    I finally get to sit on a well-trained horse, and I will learn and SHE will teach me... I was very glad as well becuas ethe barn is really close to my home and has a great arena, trainers do come,...

    To the thing: I used to ride in the woods on a pony mare perfectly tought to respond to my voice. She could go in the arena and show a good basic level dresage with some more advanced movements,.... but she wa svery easy to ride, and not afraid of anything (almost, and it qas a lot of work, she wasn§t like this at the beginning)... But basicly she was just a perfect trail horse, a teammate for all-day trails and trips, etc...

    Now I have a holstein warmblood mare, 7yo. She is a very good nature horse and very soft to ride. But I have a suspicion that she was ridden with the principle "head down, don't mind the spine and hind legs".... just that the main thing is that the horse has its head down, I am sure you know what I mean...
    I am really trying to ride on the softest contact possible, and most of the time, she seems to me relaxed and with the head on the vertical, without me trying to... I just want her to move forward, and I have a soft contact on the bit, I am not playing, milking, doing anything to get her head down... But sometimes she just puts her head down a lot. I don't deal with every tiny bit, aif she is not avoiding the contact, and I s a little bit behind, OK, I belive she will learn that I will not do any harsh contact to her... And as long as she is soncentrating on the work, I find it fine. But someitmes she just puts her head down, round, like rollkur.... BAsicly for a few second,s because I immediatelly put lots of leg aids to put her head higher and moving forward....

    I am trying to get a trainer, but there are lots of hem riding just by milking the mouth of the horse, until he puts his head down, and I do not want that... I think I found one, but she is available earliset at the beginning of the next month :( So I am seeking some advice whta to do when the horse rolls down, until I get the trainer to the barn... I even thought I have rought hands, even though I don't feel more than few gram at the reins... So I ride with the noseband so loosened I can fit a palm between the noseband and the horse's head, so she can react with opening the mouth or something whe I am rough....

    Some photos of her...

    WARMING UP:



    HOW SHE GOES MOST OF THE TIME:




    SOMETIMES LITTLE BIT BEHIND:



    BUT SOMETIMES :(



    The saddle fits her (just doesn't fit me so much, but we are now looking for a saddle for me, this is her owner's), her back is not stiff, the vet saw her... I think it is a bad habit from being ridden roughly... :(
         
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        04-01-2013, 02:45 PM
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    Nice mare and your basic position looks OK.
    The first thing I notice is that you carry your hands like a Poodle begging for its dinner! Not only are your knuckles on top they are also pointing towards the horse's ears. Learn to hold your hands so that your thumbs are on the top and pointing to the diagonal ear. The only pressure on the reins should be a pinching of the thumb and forefinger. Other fingers are for giving directional aids.
    The other thing is that you look as if, when rising, you are reaching for your irons, try riding one hole shorter for the moment.
    The other thing is that you are leaning in the direction you are going, this needs to stop or you will be encouraging her to fall in. You also look down a lot.

    When she goes behind the bit raise your hands a few inches and drive her forward.

    Work on correcting yourself and the rest will come far more easily!

    You seem to have the correct tools but need to learn how to use them!

    This is meant as a constructive criticism not trying to put you down at all.
         
        04-01-2013, 03:57 PM
      #3
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Foxhunter    
    Nice mare and your basic position looks OK.
    The first thing I notice is that you carry your hands like a Poodle begging for its dinner! Not only are your knuckles on top they are also pointing towards the horse's ears. Learn to hold your hands so that your thumbs are on the top and pointing to the diagonal ear. The only pressure on the reins should be a pinching of the thumb and forefinger. Other fingers are for giving directional aids.
    The other thing is that you look as if, when rising, you are reaching for your irons, try riding one hole shorter for the moment.
    The other thing is that you are leaning in the direction you are going, this needs to stop or you will be encouraging her to fall in. You also look down a lot.

    When she goes behind the bit raise your hands a few inches and drive her forward.

    Work on correcting yourself and the rest will come far more easily!

    You seem to have the correct tools but need to learn how to use them!

    This is meant as a constructive criticism not trying to put you down at all.
    I accept anything, as I said, I was riding in the woods for 4 years, and sudennly I sit on a sport horse...
    My hands are my common problem, I just don't remember them while thinking on all the other things around. So I cannot wait to get under the vision of the trainer....

    The rising... I rode my previsou mare a lot without a saddle, and I was perfectly happy rising even without a saddle... I don't know why I seek the stirrups here so much, maybe it is because of the gaits, I don't know... And llokind down, is also common with me :( But I just hope the trainer will help a lot...

    When I look at phtos of her from the previous owner, she was ridden behind the vertical a lot, and it seems to me it was the aim of the rider... So I hope we will reduce it to minimum amount :)
         
        04-01-2013, 04:20 PM
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    I , too, noticed the lean. I think it comes from you trying to "help" her, in some way.. And, you are looking downward. That with hand position puts all the focus onto her shoulders and front legs, and encourages her to be falling onto her forehand.
    Look up, well ahead of you, THINK forward, get your hands up a and positioned correctly.

    Pick a spot across the arena, focus on it and get excited inside and say, "I'm going there! Come on, let's go!" and get that energy to transfer to the mare. Hthink UP and forward.

    Also, try riding with NO martinagale.

    She'll change, in time. You two will make a wonderful pair!
         

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