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    07-08-2013, 11:22 AM
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Woot looks like my BF can get a hold of some caveletties! So now I can work on her balance. Lol she will LOVE this -_-'
     
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    07-08-2013, 11:38 AM
  #12
Trained
Sorry, I don't really see any runaway horse in the video. I see a confused horse, tho. I see a rider leaning against the cantle, bracing with the legs in lope, and see you rather heavily falling back in the saddle while posting. I might be wrong, im watching on the phone, tho.

I would, first and foremost, do, as was said, more groundwork. Then doing way more walking first to warm her up. I would NEVER go straight, do lots of circles, making them smaller, then larger again, with leg and weight only. Then I'd start trotting, first nicely forward, again, lots of bending, changing hands. Try to get up out of your knee, when posting, don't stand straight up, rather just lean a little forward, and don't heavily sit down either, just lightly touch the saddle and get up again, so you stay WITH her movement.
I would lope her at the end for a couple of laps only, again, circle, paying attention to the right lead!
All the bending will get her to engage her hindquarters, bring up her back, get more comfy to sit.
Do every change of direction with your weight and legs FIRST, forget the reins.
Find the deepest spot in the saddle by getting out of the stirrups and stretching your legs down...it will pull you right in it( and the stirrups will seem too short after lol).
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    07-08-2013, 01:13 PM
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Woops computer had a spazz moment
     
    07-08-2013, 01:34 PM
  #14
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See I used to do that, then got yelled at by a trainer and was told to ride with my legs braced -_-'. And Leg cues to her mean 'faster' and faster is NOT fun. I do feel im coming down hard on her back but its HARD to post that fast. I try to get her to slow down at the trot but she just stops and walks lol.
So I will NOT do as said trainer said and go back to riding with my legs 'normal'.

This is a vid of my working her in just a halter. She was getting it better then, but now that its over 106 everyday she is having a nice summer vacation lol.


In terms of ground work what should I do exactly? No one has felt the need to teach me (or bothered doing it themselves). This is what I mostly do with her on the ground.

This is mostly play but you can see how she normally acts when being worked. Paying attention to me.

     
    07-08-2013, 02:11 PM
  #15
Green Broke
First off, and I mean this in the most constructive way possible, at least 90% of horse 'problems' are actually a problem with the handler.
Secondly, are you sure its not pain? I've known two horses recently that were super 'rushy', and very hard to stop. Both had back problems. After ruling out back pain and poor saddle fit, I would take these steps:

#1, put a smooth snaffle on her, no tom thumb, no curb.
#2, ask your self "am I not communicating clearly?" every time you have a problem. Its probably your fault. Focus on how you ask for something, if you are asking in the right way and is the way you ride allowing your horse to comply easily, or making it more difficult? Most importantly focus on how quickly you release the pressure when the horse gives you the correct response.
#3, go get Clinton Andersons book. Do all of the groundwork exercises thoroughly, until you are both great at them. Then move on to the under saddle exercises, and work on each one until you have them mastered. You very likely will find your problem has disappeared.
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    07-08-2013, 02:16 PM
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Im iffy on the snaffle as she HATES it. It can just be IN her mouth, no reins and she throws a tantrum. And the last time I used it I ended up on crutches for a week. Ill try it again, but if I get thrown Im NOT using it. I have a friend who is a certified massage therapist for horses check her back, and she's in the clear that way. Im iffy on Anderson too. Last person I saw train his way had whipped all the skin off a gelding chest, and his horses look fearful of him. Ill try it but I wont beat my horse.
     
    07-08-2013, 02:38 PM
  #17
Trained
I'd like to meet that trainer who says brace your legs and put him on a certain horse....then call in the helicopter with the big net to catch them.......

If your horse is a bit sensitive in the back, or her saddle doesn't fit quite right, and you brace and lean on the cantle, it will hurt her and she'll run away from under you. Period.

For the fast trot....it isn't that fast, first of all( watch a kid in a Shetland pony...now THAT is fast lol), second, if you have your knee on the horse and get up out if knee and lower leg, only slightly getting up and doing so forward rather than up, you won't come out of the saddle that much and have a shorter way down, so to speak. Which, in turn, makes you go with her movement.

She might have a problem with the mouth, so why insisting on a bit? Sidepull, hackamore, if she's more comfy that way. And every time she gets too fast, turn her. When she slows down, go straight.

I'm not a great fan of Anderson, of none of the " gurus", actually. I'm rather the Brannaman, Dorrance, Hunt type. Sorry Bluespark
     
    07-08-2013, 02:55 PM
  #18
Green Broke
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Im iffy on the snaffle as she HATES it
single or double jointed? A horse with a shallow pallet will HATE a single jointed bit, but that would include the tom thumb, where many horses with thicker tongues will hate a double jointed but work well in a single joint.

The tom thumb is a harsh, confusing bit, and I don't think it makes sense in the way it functions at all.

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Im iffy on Anderson too. Last person I saw train his way had whipped all the skin off a gelding chest, and his horses look fearful of him. Ill try it but I wont beat my horse.
Read the book. If you follow the directions you will end up with a willing, soft, obedient, respectful horse, and yourself as a better handler. I'm sorry, but anyone whipping the skin off any part of a horses body needs to be tied up and whipped themselves. No where in CA's book does it advocate beating, abuse or taking the hide off a horse. You admitted you have little knowledge of groundwork, and no money for a trainer, so the best ground work book I know of, that gives clear, easy to follow steps and good results, is CA's.
     
    07-08-2013, 02:56 PM
  #19
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How do you ask your mare to stop? I ask because I have a horse that I was told had to be ridden in a kimberwick or he had no brakes (I was also told he would bolt if not lunged before being ridden). I took him to a trainer who watched him and I work. The trainer said he has great brakes you need to relax and let him use them. I was used to horses that you use weight and steady rein contact to get them to stop. This horse its weight, a short pull back and release (the release is where he starts to relax). So, are you pulling back all the time to get that slowing? I also tried a curb (he reared), I tried a snaffle (he was okay), I tried the kimberwick (it took work to stop), I put him in a french link and he is as happy as a clam. Its not a bit issue its a training issue and hard bits are going to make it worse and mask it.

I would bet that you don't establish a strong enough rhythm at the trot to have it act as a slowing force. You posting out of rhythm with the horse often enough is uncomfortable for both of you so one of you matches the others rhythm. I bet you are matching her rhythm and she should be matching yours. Get music with a steady beat and play that or repeat a rhythm when you ride.

Before you start fussing over the trot, balance work and what not get a good stop. That means ground work and possibly clicker training a bomber stop. Get the horse to respond to a voice command for whoa every time, on the ground before you even put a saddle on. I know folks who have had their lives saved by having clicker trained a whoa on the ground before they got on the horse. If you don't have brakes you should not be going forward.
     
    07-08-2013, 02:58 PM
  #20
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Lol said trainer has not come off a horse sence he was 10. (he deals with rearing, bolting, bucking you name it horses). Works for him not me. I agree hor trot dose not look fast but its horrid! Lol. People don't believe me untill they try to ride it. Suddenly they don't want to ride my horse anymore XD. I did the sidepull and she desided traffic looked fun. A macanical hack makes her flip over even in the softest hands. She has a sensitive mouth untill you say stop. Its so irritating. Everyone is like "oh her mouth is so sensitive you can squees her to a stop on the reins" yes that's fine and dandy untill you are out on the trails or faster than a walk.

As for the one rein stop that was coupled with the snaffle bit and me ending up an a ditch. Found out she can
1. Pull a 180 at full speed
2. Run looking at the horse behind her
And 3. Duck out under me WHILE looking behind her and leave me in a ditch -_-' so We are working on that lol. When she want HOME she's going HOME.

Ill work on where my legs are and my posting. I might go back to the english saddle as it fits her perfect. Its a thorowgood saddle. The issue is she thinks she's a race horse with it on. She's calm in a western until we trot.
     

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