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        07-08-2013, 01:59 PM
    Green Broke
    I'm not a great fan of Anderson, of none of the " gurus", actually. I'm rather the Brannaman, Dorrance, Hunt type. Sorry Bluespark
    I agree, but their books are not nearly as easy to follow. For someone who has little to no knowledge of ground work, simple is a good place to start.
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        07-08-2013, 02:08 PM
    Originally Posted by BlueSpark    
    I agree, but their books are not nearly as easy to follow. For someone who has little to no knowledge of ground work, simple is a good place to start.
    I absolutely agree with that! They are certainly not the typical " how to" clinicians.
    But OP could look up Buck Brannaman videos on YouTube and see if she can relate. There are many.
    If she can't relate, the how to book is the right thing.
        07-08-2013, 02:14 PM
    Green Broke
    Sorry my computer was slow. When I ask her to stop a SIT in my seat, as in pull myself into the seat, sit back and then cue with the reins, and Say whao. She is fantastic on the ground and on drive lines. Its when you get on her that she dose not want to stop. I normally don't like tomthumbs but after the snaffle incident (and me just about bloodying her mouth in trying to get brakes, trust me I felt bad but there where joggers on the trail and she WOULD run them over) My bf had me try the bit. I was able to get her to stop with her head DOWN! Normally she was just about to knock my teeth out every time we stopped. That's why I like working in that bit.
    Ill try to go back to the snaffle. I might also drive her more as she stops on a dime in driving lines.

    Id mute it as it was windy and you can only hear me.
        07-08-2013, 02:25 PM
    Have her checked out by the massage person you mentioned. And have her check saddle and saddle fit, too. I'm just about willing to bet she has a back problem and runs away from the pain.
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        07-08-2013, 02:30 PM
    Green Broke
    The same person who is driving her gave her a full work up, including saddle fitting.

    This horse was abused when I got her. She was used for tripping then beaten by a charro. (almost 300lb guy used to gallop her up and down the street on the pavement!) So I have some 'un training' to do from that. I had to teach her that walking was ok. Again her back is fine, I check her periodically for issue (had one saddle that did not fit and she told me about it)
        07-08-2013, 02:56 PM
    Green Broke
    So list of things (in no given order)

    1. Try snaffle
    2. More ground work
    3. Don't listen to the trainer and ride normal lol
    4. Try ground driving?
    5. Look into clicker training.
    6. Caveleties! (trying to get some this week)
    7. Have someone work on the ground with me in the saddle.
    8. Work on posting.

    Anything I'm missing?
        07-08-2013, 05:36 PM
    One at a time, lol, otherwise you won't even know what did it
    I'd try the seat first. Together with the posting. I can very well imagine what she went through, I see that around here a lot, unfortunately.......
        07-08-2013, 05:45 PM
    Green Broke
    Ill start there and with cavaletties. Wont be able to work too much with her though, as its 1000 degrees here lol. She will get worked every day once it drops below 90.
        07-08-2013, 07:23 PM
    From the videos and temperature it sounds like you're in the same kind of climate I'm in lol. Early morning....early early
        07-08-2013, 08:24 PM
    Having not yet watched the videos, but read all the comments and agreeing with most of them I will add: why go at a speed that you/she are/is not ready for yet? Assuming it's not pain, which of course would be the first thing to deal with.

    Ensure that the brakes work 100% on the ground at a walk and trot. Every time. No crowding.

    Then mount and ensure the brakes work at a walk. Every time. When you say stop, she stops NOW, not three strides from now. If she doesn't stop on the spot, back her up to where she was supposed to stop, plus a step.

    Then move to trot. Trot, walk, stop, walk, stop, walk, trot, walk, stop -- repeat ad nauseum. Again, she MUST stop where you want her to every time. No excuses. No leniency. Once that is clear, move to walk, trot, stop, skipping the walk between the trot and stop.

    Weeks or months from now, then move to the lope. Doing anything sooner is 1. Dangerous 2. Probably confusing.

    This might take a WHOLE lot of patience and ignoring the "I wanna" in your mind, but doing things too fast is not doing things right.

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