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        02-29-2008, 08:49 PM

    I am using a friends horse for the year because she is pregnant, and she says he's all mine for the year, and even to show him, even though i've never shown. But. . He has got no manners! I learned his previous owner had let him get away with alot, such as if he wanted to go home from a trail ride,he would jsut do it, and she would let him. Being with me and my friend now, he's now learning he can't do anything he wants. But he still is pushy and bossy, and has no respect sometimes for humans.

    He has a very good whoa when trotting or cantering, but when you want him to stop and actually stand he fidgets and keeps going, and when I rein him back in, he swearves, and threatens to buck. Its a problem because he is a very good roadworthy horse most of the time, but sometimes when I ask him to stop and wait for a car to pass, he wont listen and he'll brakew into a trot, then get himself worked up, and when the car passes, he bolts.

    Kinda makes me mad that every time I see him he never really looks 'ecited' to see me, jsut wants to know if I have food. He can be the greatest pony in the world sometimes, but other times he can be so pushy, and I don't like it because its hard to tell when he's going to be pushy until he bucks or something else. I love him to death, and always will, but just some pointers on pushyness, the complete whoa and stand, and maybe him to respect me more and listen to me. :) THANKS!
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        02-29-2008, 08:57 PM
    Keep setting boundaries, and don't waver on them.
    For the halting thing: ask for a whoa, and if he stands still for even a second without fidgeting, allow him to walk forwards. If he doesn't, keep asking to whoa, then release as soon as he holds it for a couple seconds. The idea is to build the time up till he can stand for however long you want without fidgeting. Some horses are naturally impatient, and it takes a long time, but he'll get it eventually. Don't make it stressful for him to stand though. Release the pressure before he fidgets, so he thinks that it was your idea to move, not his, even if it wasn't entirely.
    As for the "he's not happy to see me" thing - some horses love to be worked and ridden, others just do it because it's their job. Maybe try going out there just to have some hang-out time, where you bring him in for a nice mash, or even a groom, or something like that?

    Edit: I'm at work now, can't really concentrate on this right now, I'll add more later.
        02-29-2008, 09:43 PM

    These are some pictures of him today. He was alright but he's a pushy guy
        03-04-2008, 06:30 PM

    I do sympathize with you. There's this deep part of us that just wants the horse to be our pet and best friend. I'd gotten there with my 22 year old QH mare after 15 years of being together. I conveniently forgot all the struggles we'd had when she was younger. The last four years were just pure pleasure with her. She knew what I was thinking and I trusted her to the max. We had a blast on the trails - many funny stories and hours of enjoyment. Then she layed down in her stall and died last Nov. The grief was awful but now I've gotten a Paint gelding - 9 years old. Wish I could walk into that same relationship with him and I think we'll have it some day. But for now I'm having to do some hard work. He too is pushy. I posted earlier about looking for an effective bit because on the trail he does the same thing you mentioned. He wants to choose his own gaits and sometimes that just isn't safe. It's not relaxing either when he keeps wanting to trot, pass other horses or just do his own thing. Like you, I love him to death and know he's worth putting training time into. I'm going to go back to having lessons, even though I can't afford it in this economy. Don't give up but do be safe - that's the bottom line. I've chosen to go back to lessons in the ring until I get his full attention and respect. I figure he's nine years old and I don't know much of his history so I'm starting from scratch. You may have a little more knowledge of your guy as he's your friend's horse. Good luck but be careful on the road. Em
        03-04-2008, 09:20 PM
    Thank you very much to 'justdressageit' for your suggestions. I hevent yet gone to see him since those pictures were last taken, but I hope to go tommorow. And to you 'MoonlightEm' I appreciate the bit you told me about your other horse, im sorry about your mare. I know that if Owen had died anytime very soon I would be devistated. This summer me and him are going to start jumping together, he had jumped with a previous owner a few years back, so I hope he still remembers!
        03-04-2008, 10:27 PM
    Originally Posted by katybear985
    thank you very much to 'justdressageit' for your suggestions. I hevent yet gone to see him since those pictures were last taken, but I hope to go tommorow. And to you 'MoonlightEm' I appreciate the bit you told me about your other horse, im sorry about your mare. I know that if Owen had died anytime very soon I would be devistated. This summer me and him are going to start jumping together, he had jumped with a previous owner a few years back, so I hope he still remembers!

    Be sure to give us an update!
        03-04-2008, 11:12 PM
    If he really doesnt want to stand still pull him in a tight circle until he stops. My wb does this sometimes but soon gets sick of it once he has do tight little circles and will stop himself.

    Standing still when needed is highly important and I think that maybe you should stay away from roads and cars until you can get him to do as he is told. All it needs is for him to spook and bolt out into oncoming traffic and you will have a major disaster on your hands. Once you get him listening to you it will be easier to face the bolt and spooking at cars etc
        03-05-2008, 09:41 AM
    I believe groundwork will also help, to establish trust and respect. I've found that often bonds between human and horse take years to develop, so unfortunately that "happy to see you" look might not ever happen with this horse, especially if he's developed a strong bond with his owner. I agree, though, that spending time doing fun things (or even just spending time observing him in his stall or pasture) will help with establishing a bond. Good luck!
        03-05-2008, 09:51 AM
    At the place where I board there's a young Quarter horse who, though does listen really good, hates to stop. He'll fidget, threaten to rear, or just won't stop. With him what we would do it stop him, then turn him into a circle, then stop him. Each time he fidgets or threatens to rear, we turn him in a circle to get the attention back on us.

    Now on a road, turning the horse in a circle might not be the best thing. Have you tried stretching the horses neck? Meaning, take the right rein and pull it to where the horses head is by your foot? That has proved wonderful for my horse, Sonny, when he thinks since other horses are cantering around him, that it's a race.

    Try getting his attention back on you. It might be hard, but it's really hte only way.

    And I agree with JustDressageIt, work with him on it. If he stops for a while, praise him and let him walk forward. Then ask for him to stop again.
    Also to just working with him in a pasture/arena with someone holding a lead line that connects to him will work.
        03-05-2008, 12:52 PM
    I will let you guys know how he is doing, thanks for all the comments and suggestions. . I know I used to turn him in circles each time he bucked, or threatened to buck me, so ill try it for the stopping too. Im heading up today to see him, but not ride because of too much snow and ice on the roads and field.

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