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post #1 of 7 Old 03-16-2010, 10:58 AM Thread Starter
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No manners, and head shy

I just joined, and mainly did so for help with a friends horses. She enlisted me to help with her four after she found out I grew up with horses. The problem is, I haven't ridden in about 4 years, and I was mainly a miniature horse-person. I drive, and love it, and am so-so with riding.

I was shocked at just how bad her horses are. She has four, a two year old miniature, a yearling QH, a 3 yr old horse, and a 6 yr old or so horse. The yearling is an angel at the moment. I took her for a walk yesterday and she can walk, stop and back with out problem. She can be a bit pushy, but I told the owner that she needs to stop letting the horses in her space, hopefully she will work on that.
The miniature is relatively good on the lead, but a monster at feeding time. She has no problem kicking the owner, and bullying her way to the dish. Yesterday I put her halter on her, made her walk and stop where I wanted, and stay back while I put her food in the dish. Before this, she was kicking the owner and being pushy to stay at it.
The 6 yr old is incredibly fearful. They haven't had him more then 6 months, but he is scared of halters, leads, anything used to put on him. When you catch him he is an angel, but catching him is incredibly difficult. I worked with him for awhile, walking towards him when his ears were forward and alert, but stopping when he started to get nervous. He would let me walk up to him, but not touch. If he sees a halter or lead he runs. They currently have to trick him to get a halter on him. I told her to put a halter on him, and leave it on, as well as to start working on letting people touch his face. He has a scar on the front of his bottom lip where there is about an inch long split, we figure he was abused in some way.
Finally, the real monster. Jasper the 3 yr old is a scary, scary horse. We were free lunging them yesterday, and I discovered that he has zero respect for your space, and zero fear of retaliation. When I swatted him a bit and asked him to go, he turned around ears pinned and flew at me. No amount of smacking (on the chest) would back him up. He doesn't care if you stand up to him, he has his ears pinned and tries to bite. Walking him is another adventure. He is barn sour and refuses to walk away. We were working on it, but he only wants to bite and kick as you try this. A few weeks ago he bucked the owners husband off and broke his wrist, one of the bones into 7 pieces. I have convinced them to take him back to square one, working on lead work till he is good at that, then ground driving, lunging, etc before even trying a saddle.
Does anyone have any advice for what we could try with these guys? Right now Jasper is a dangerous horse to be around, but I'm sure he has the potential. Any advice is greatly appreciated!!
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post #2 of 7 Old 03-16-2010, 11:24 AM
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Call in a professional trainer.
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post #3 of 7 Old 03-16-2010, 11:42 AM
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For Jasper:
They really need to go back to basics & pretty much re-train him as if he has never been touched. I highly recommend them buying this book: Establishing Respect and Control :: Downunder Horsemanship
I went through all the steps in that book with two different horses & it worked miracles. The methods are easy to understand & really fun to work with.
If he is too much for them they should consider selling or sending him to a professional trainer.
If I were them, I would definitely go back to basics & just start his training all over again.
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I agree with Hunter. If the horse is that dangerous, call in someone who knows how to deal with him, as there will be a greater chance of success for the outcome, and less of a chance of someone getting hurt, as the trainer knows when to push, and how ect.
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post #5 of 7 Old 03-16-2010, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Hunter65 View Post
Call in a professional trainer.

Quit mucking about, and tell your friends they need to stop being cheap.

Those horses need professional training. Not you trying to do your best when you've dealt with mostly minis, and certainly NOT buying any ridiculous books or DVDs and trying to train the horses themselves.

Sounds like all of them, horses as well as humans, need professional help.

If they don't get it someone's going to wind up hurt or dead, and the horses will be on the next truck to slaughter.

If people can't afford to pay for professional training, then maybe they shouldn't buy untrained horses in the first place.

Also, just because the horse has a scar on his bottom lip and is headshy does NOT mean he was abused. He just sounds like an illmannered youngster who's been allowed to get away with his shenanigans.

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I completely agree with that for Jasper. He needs help, but I doubt she will do so.

The miniature (Stormy) just needs a bit of manner work, she I can handle, and I can teach the owner to handle her. I had her behaving yesterday, you just have to show her you mean it.

The yearling (Sassy) is good to go, and if I stay involved she will stay that way. At least up until the point that she is ready for a rider, we (I) can handle what she needs.

Thunder isn't dangerous though. He just needs to learn that we aren't hurtful. No one has tips or advice for helping learn that leads/halters aren't the end of the world?

Edit: I know it doesn't necessarily mean he was abused. But, he is an angel when you catch him. I know, that could be him just playing games. If that is the case, how can we go about fixing it? I can walk up to him, but he doesn't want to be touched at first. If he has a halter on all ready, he is fine.
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post #7 of 7 Old 03-16-2010, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Laceface View Post
Thunder isn't dangerous though. He just needs to learn that we aren't hurtful. No one has tips or advice for helping learn that leads/halters aren't the end of the world?
Go out & rub your hands all over his face & teaching him that it is totally ok to have people's hands working so close to his ears, eyes, & nose. Next, try rubbing the halter all over his body & getting him completely desensitized to it. Slowly work your way up the neck & eventually to the face. If he is doing good & letting you touch his face with it, proceed by draping it over his head. Might be good to start of with a soft, thin rope halter & then when he becomes good with that go back to the nylon webbed halter. Sometimes its good to start off simple & work your way up.
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