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        11-24-2012, 05:07 AM
      #11
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    Have you tried the "make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard" approach? By that I mean, if she's standing or doing whatever nicely, then she can keep doing it, but as soon as she does something nasty she has to work those hooves, forwards, backwards, sideways, yielding front and hind quarters etc, do whatever you can to make that horse move. She will eventually realise that each time she acts out, it means she has to do work that she doesn't want to do.
         
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        11-24-2012, 09:05 AM
      #12
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    All of your photos show you 'playing' with her and treating her like a big 'lap dog' and 'pet'. She looks at you as her equal -- not her leader.

    If you want respect, you have to keep her on a different level from you. You have to to be her leader and she has to be a respectful member of YOUR herd.

    As long as you interact with her on her level, there will be huge lapses in her respect for you. She will only have respect when SHE feels like it.

    If you pend your time riding her and teaching her good riding moves and responses and let her be a horse with other horses, she will stop treating you like an equal.
         
        11-25-2012, 05:05 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    All of your photos show you 'playing' with her and treating her like a big 'lap dog' and 'pet'. She looks at you as her equal -- not her leader.

    If you want respect, you have to keep her on a different level from you. You have to to be her leader and she has to be a respectful member of YOUR herd.

    As long as you interact with her on her level, there will be huge lapses in her respect for you. She will only have respect when SHE feels like it.

    If you pend your time riding her and teaching her good riding moves and responses and let her be a horse with other horses, she will stop treating you like an equal.

    Well, thank you for your advice. I thought about it a lot, and I think you make a good point... I just do not know how to interact with her on a level without these "games". I just feel it is something differetn for her, I still insist on her doing what I tell her to, whatever funny trick I teach her, I always insist on her doing it, as soon as she knows what she is supposed to do... I don't want to repeat 5 excercises while doing ground work. Maybe if you all can adivse me a little bit more excercises to do with her while doing ground work?

    And, I also ride her, riding is a lot bigger part of our connections, I ususally ride her, only because now it is dark outside very soon and I sometimes get to her quite late, there is no time for riding, which usually take s minimally 90 minutes-cleaning, tacking, riding, cleaning,... And I also have other responsibilities while I am by her-cleaning her paddock of the poo, giving her food, water etc...

    But the ratio riding:ground work is about 3:1. And I also count lounging for ground work (when I do not have so much time, but I know she had too much oats to stand in her paddock. She is a pony, so she easily gets laminitis -never had one before, but only with my care she gets oats. Without any she is quite lazy under saddle. She gets about a handful or two, not so much-not even half a liter. To mix the vitamins and get a little energy while being ridden.)

    And we switch riding on trails and trainings regularly, she is very pleasant to ride, she gpes nicely, but not too fast, reacts nicely, learns quite quickly. But when we go three times in a row to the arena, she is pissed, works anyway, but without any life... and fourth time, she starts to "complain"... goes slowly, and is not as willing as she usually is.so we ride mostly trail-arena-trail-arena,.... and we have like two or three trainings only by ourselves, and then one with a trainer. She make sit more interesting to her, but still, if we havent been on a trail too long, she is not willing to learn.

    But thanks to your idea, that I am too friendly to be a boss... Maybe I really should be more hard on her.
         
        11-25-2012, 05:15 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HollyBubbles    
    Have you tried the "make the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard" approach? By that I mean, if she's standing or doing whatever nicely, then she can keep doing it, but as soon as she does something nasty she has to work those hooves, forwards, backwards, sideways, yielding front and hind quarters etc, do whatever you can to make that horse move. She will eventually realise that each time she acts out, it means she has to do work that she doesn't want to do.
    Kind of. For example if I ask her to go back, and she goes immediately, she has to go just few steps. If she doesn't and I have to give her more aid, she has ot get back quite a lot of steps. Something like "Do as I say now, it wll be easy. Do it later, it will he harder"...
         
        12-01-2012, 09:13 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Any more ideas?
         
        12-01-2012, 11:52 PM
      #16
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Kind of. For example if I ask her to go back, and she goes immediately, she has to go just few steps. If she doesn't and I have to give her more aid, she has to get back quite a lot of steps. Something like "Do as I say now, it will be easy. Do it later, it will he harder"...
    She does not understand this concept AT ALL. I have never seen a horse that understood the concept of work longer for one thing or work a shorter period of time for doing it differently. What they understand is that you will not let them stop (or quit) if they are not doing what you ask. What they are doing when you take all pressure off and let them stop is what they learn to do.

    When backing, what a horse understands is that you get after him and put more pressure on him until he backs with little or no pressure, backs willingly as shown by picking his feet up and stepping back instead of dragging his feet back and then you quit when he is doing it willingly and correctly.
         
        12-02-2012, 03:19 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    She does not understand this concept AT ALL. I have never seen a horse that understood the concept of work longer for one thing or work a shorter period of time for doing it differently. What they understand is that you will not let them stop (or quit) if they are not doing what you ask. What they are doing when you take all pressure off and let them stop is what they learn to do.

    When backing, what a horse understands is that you get after him and put more pressure on him until he backs with little or no pressure, backs willingly as shown by picking his feet up and stepping back instead of dragging his feet back and then you quit when he is doing it willingly and correctly.
    I can see what you mean :) Thanks :)
         
        12-02-2012, 07:35 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Please, Shanoona, while your pics show you & she enjoy eachother's company, at very least until you have the relationship *reliably* good, don't go getting under the horse, putting her legs all over you, etc. That is just asking for injuries & teaching the horse 'bad manners'.
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        12-03-2012, 03:41 AM
      #19
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by loosie    
    Please, Shanoona, while your pics show you & she enjoy eachother's company, at very least until you have the relationship *reliably* good, don't go getting under the horse, putting her legs all over you, etc. That is just asking for injuries & teaching the horse 'bad manners'.
    well, I know, it is dangerous.The thig is, I can "feel"when she is tense and is likely to do come of her crap..... As I said before, she is great for a month and then she just looses her mind, but in other 10 minutes, she is just like before, cool, responses, willing to do anything... I wouldn't get there if I felt she is tense, or not co-operating... And I do not do that ver often.... For the other things... pullng her legs, etc. Iwant her to know that if I "want" a part of her body, she will let me have it. She had problemw with touching her butt and tail, so we did that I took her tail and did crazy omovements with it, touchig it all the time,playig with it, holding it, etc... Now she is comfortable with whatever I do with her tail (I think she had a bad experience with getting the crupper on, because she was most nervous as I wanted to put it on her). Now we are working with legs, becuase even though I can hav it even 5 minuts, brushing the hooves, cleaning it, oiling it etc, when the hoofmaker comes, she behaves like if he wanted to cut her leg off...
         
        12-03-2012, 04:10 AM
      #20
    Foal
    No respect? It sounds like leadership issues. Your his yearling friend not his leader.

    Horses NEED a leader. If your not going to lead them, they will lead you.
    Its not respect its survival. A horses natural instinct.
    If your mushy and lovely and smother them like a puppy your weak to the horse and the horse knows it and he needs to take charge since you can't.

    Going right back to basic's with your horse and back to the round pen then.
    Move his legs, switch his transitions and lead your horse with directions.
    Your horse kicking out at your while they lounge is disrespectful so make him work harder with more transitions.

    Your horse wants to blow up at the most random times. Don't pet him and tell him its going to be okay boy, I love you. Get his ass out on the lounge line and work him. Or if your under saddle get trotting.

    You have gained a great connection with your horse with feel.
    You know when he is scared or tense. Good, get his legs moving..
    Work him out of his feelings and back to your focus.

    The moment you feel "Oh crap" start moving.
    loosie likes this.
         

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