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    04-23-2009, 07:38 PM
Horse Psychology has been around far longer than Parelli. He just put it in a pretty package.
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    04-23-2009, 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by Spastic_Dove    
Horse Psychology has been around far longer than Parelli. He just put it in a pretty package.
Well said.
    04-23-2009, 10:20 PM
The story about the feed bucket is very telling. I will say when people contact me wanting help with a horse the first thing I ask is if the horse is food aggressive and 100 percent of the time the answer is yes.

Sooooo you have to start there because that is where the respect starts. Horses are motivated by food and sex drive. Those are the major forces in their life. I know your post says you have been working on it, but apparently its not working or she would not have kicked the feed bucket.

The first thing I work on with an ill mannered horse is food aggression and facing me in the stall. The horse MUST turn and face me or they don't get the feed. Believe me they learn real quick to turn and face you and wait. But only if you are CONSISTENT

Once you have that go back to basic ground manners and start like its a fresh horse that has never been worked.

I have one here that I started working with one week ago. She was shy, nervous, scared, food aggressive and pushy. For the first 2 days she was kept in a stall and only saw me. No other horses. Once she learned to respect me and turn and face me in the stall she was let out in a pen but again she is not with other horses (she can see them and groom with them thru the fence but not WITH them) I don't want her distracted until she gets the basics. Its been one week now and she can now be caught, haltered, led and has no food aggression. But you have to be CONSISTENT every time you are with the horse. Next I will work on desensitizing her entire body, legs and hooves
    04-23-2009, 11:22 PM
She kicked the feed bucket about 2 months ago or so. She had NEVER turned her rear towards me or offered to kick me before that day. Since then if she starts to turn I make her move away from me until she will walk back up to me nicely and she seems to have gotten better about that. I think she finally figured out that she didn't get her grain unless she behaved.
    04-23-2009, 11:37 PM
Yes, horse psychology has been around before Parelli. Pat has not claimed to come up with any of this stuff. However no one has ever explained it as thoroughly as Parelli does, imo. Masters, like Ray Hunt, knew horses in and out, but like a true master of his art, sometimes they can't explain what they see and feel into words. Pat has a more difficult time with this as well. Thankfully Linda does a wonderful job putting what Pat sees and feels into words, helping us normal, everyday horse owners understand our partners better.
    04-24-2009, 12:35 AM
Appy Luvr, here's a video by Clinton Anderson about leading horses and common issues. I'm a fan of his methods because they seem to make a lot of sense, unlike many other clinicians.... anyway, good luck with whatever works for you

    04-24-2009, 01:56 PM
Thanks for the video EternalSun! I'm going to have to look into some videos or something to give me some pointers with this girl.
    04-24-2009, 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
mls- that is simply YOUR opinion on the matter. I happen to believe Parelli WILL work for any horse because it's based on HORSE PSYCHOLOGY. It doesn't work for every person though, for certain reasons.

I have to agree with mls on that one....every horse is different. Different training methods, different people, ect is what makes each horse unique.

However, to the OP: Get serious! If the horse wants to run you over, use a dressage whip and reinforce with a loud EH! Or whatever to get their attention. A rope halter works wonders. My friend has a 16.1 hh Appy gelding that used to walk all over her and he does wonders because of the sucessful and proper use of a rope halter. Good luck!
    04-24-2009, 05:33 PM
Is that not what I just said?
My problem is not with Parelli.
I just wonder why people think he is doing anything new or different.
Parelli is just a guy. A guy who makes mistakes contrary to what seems to be popular belief.
Natural Horsemanship, working with your horse as opposed to against, works with any horse NOT just Parelli.

I don't care if parelli works for every horse like you say it does. I want it to work for the person...because if the person can't properly communicate to the horse, it is useless.
Too many beginner horseman seem to do Parelli "wrong".

I agree with what CMT -- You can try and be nice and gentle and friendly to your horse as much as you want but if he's running you over, make him stop. A loud, firm noise, waving your hands in the air, and even an angry look will help.

You can be firm and still have a partnership with your horse.
    04-26-2009, 09:13 PM
I have been having trouble with my Danny being pushy this spring. I have been turning him in circles the moment I feel he is too fast or pushy. He has settled down quite a bit. He also drops his head quickly to try to nip my hand. He wouldn't and has never, but it is disrespectful and I don't accept it. I turn him automatically and he doesn't like it. I also back him immediately and he certainly doesn't like that. I love all of the comments and suggestions. Great post.

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