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post #1 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 12:39 PM Thread Starter
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No Respect For ANYTHING

I have a 5 yr old quarter horse X mare. bred, raise , trained by myself.
I know its mostly me to blame but i cant stand her anymore. as a baby she was the "baby" spoiled rotten. I noticed she was become a brat around 1.5 yrs old so i became very strict with her not allowing her to stop when she wanted. no nuzzleing ect.. Ohawna was the perfect horse for nearly 2 years and now she is a total grrr.

No respect for any gates, myself or anything. On the haltered and on led, it only takes a firm no and at most a slap to the shoulder to get her off and shes fine but she runs you over at the gate when getting other horses out, and will break threw other gates to get to me.

When riding she has no impulsion, 3 laps around the ring and shes done no matter how much leg, crop any aids i use she doesnt budge. Is this a lack in respect or is she confussed?

Have tried transitions, patterns everything to keep her intrested but doesnt seem to phase her. She just loves hacking , thats it , but she needs more arena work done obviously.

please help, Im at my last ends with her and almost ready to give up.
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post #2 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 03:47 PM
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post #3 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
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I want to , but cant afford one.
I have trained many horses myself, the out come being a respectful willing partner. Ohawna is the only one i have had from birth though. i now feel like i have messed her up, and cant fix it :(
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post #4 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 06:04 PM
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Sounds like you have a bit of a project on your hands. I would start out with making a list of all the specific problems (ex: tries to nip me when my back is turned, balks under saddle etc). Then, next to them, write how you are going to fix it. Do research online and ask horse friends to find methods that work for you if you can't afford a trainer. That should get you started. When you discipline, a good rule of thumb is to do it within 1 second of the behavior, and try to prevent it from even happening. As a starting tip, when you walk into her pen and she shoves you around, take a lead rope with you. Swing it in front of you like a helicopter blade if she tries to run into you. The lead horse moves the lesser horse around, you don't dodge for her.

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post #5 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 08:08 PM
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The only thing I would add to Roro, is, take your time with her, she did not learn the bad behavours overnight and will not learn the good ones overnight either. Generally with training it is one step forward and two steps back.

Do not give up! If you have had success before, you will with this one, in time.

Let us know how you do with her!
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post #6 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 08:21 PM Thread Starter
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thank you very much I will try the list idea.
the only thing is she doesnt bat an eye lash towards ropes or even whips. doesnt matter if they come incontact with her or not. maybe i have desensitized her to much?
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post #7 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 08:48 PM
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That's a possibilty. Have you tried natural horsemanship??? It can help the rider gain respect from their horse but, like airraeme said, it will take time. Try Carlos Tabernaberri's method of training (www.whisperingacres.com). He's becoming very popular in Australia for his gentle work with horses and the results he gets. I have to admit, it helped me with my showjumper.

Lastly, just remember that there are people out there that have the same problem as you do. At the moment I'm retraining a quarter horse x that I screwed up big time. All I can say is take it slowly and work out each problem and how you are going to correct it before you decide to start. I tried to fix my gelding's bucking problem and ended up with a disrespectful son of a *****. Sorry about the language.

You can buy Carlos's book for AUD$39.95, or, if you really need it, I can scan a few pages for you and send them via a private message.

And be flexible. If one method doesn't work, try a different one.

Let us know how you go...You fill me in and I'll fill you in??? =P

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post #8 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 09:37 PM Thread Starter
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I actually have a appendix mare trained under parelli on ground, i did not start her on this as i have some issues with his techs. but the games are fun XD I trained her undersaddle and when in shape and having the time put on her i am able to ride her bareback with no bridle/halter ect. . i love this mare <3

ATM i am not able to ride as i broke my collar bone almost a month ago and off still for another 6-8 weeks. but i thought it would be a good time to do much needed ground work with my girls.

i prob won't be able to purchase this book but does seem like it would have very intresting helpful info. If you wouldnt mind scanniing me some pages you think would be helpful that would be amazing!

extremly gratefull. thanks
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post #9 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 09:41 PM
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Ouch!! I hope that didn't hurt too much!!

It may take a little while to scan but I will do so. Right now actually, so I don't forget!!!

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There is no such thing as natural horsemanship, because nothing we do with horses is natural. There is only good and bad horsemanship.
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post #10 of 45 Old 03-28-2010, 09:50 PM Thread Starter
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lol didnt hurt to bad i geuss got back on and rode the pony back to the farm . untacked put her away. drove to go get my BF so he could help me with barn chores cause i knew something was wrong but he made me go to the hospital first . good thing he did bones in every direction . but then went did barn chores. just last week went in and had surgery on it. now have a steal plate holding everything together.

eeekk *hug* thank you soo much . cant wait to read and try this.
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