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post #11 of 31 Old 12-02-2008, 11:16 PM
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hmm tricky.

What does his body language say? Does he apear afraid? angry? Defensive? ears back alot? tail clamped down? Is he flighty?

Have you changed anything in the recent weeks? and by anything i mean anything? his paddock...do you come at a different time to see him now? does he have paddock mates? has one of them been taken away/or one added to the group? feeding change? season change? water?

There has to have been some recent change somewere to trigger this since he wasnt doing it before, and you have ruled out pain.

purhaps as far as working with him in the mean time .....try and look at him as a brand new horse. Dont look at what he used to be like, just squarely focus on how he is acting, and try and figure out what purhaps caused it........ kinda as if he were a troubled rescue horse or somthing.
Just so you arnt comparing and expecting to much from him at this point, as it proberly wont help the situation.
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post #12 of 31 Old 12-02-2008, 11:23 PM Thread Starter
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He isn't mean or flighty. He is...disinterested? He hasn't really found a pasture pal yet though as he is very submissive and gets beat up a bit everywhere we go. Could he be depressed? I don't know, Im not really sure what to do. He was like this when I first bought him plus a bad rearer. I thought I was done all my major training.

I hope my trainer can find something i missed when she rides him
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post #13 of 31 Old 12-02-2008, 11:32 PM
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Eck. I understand. >.< Twende's lost his manners again and is nipping and freaking out at everything. I've had to backtrack with him on the jumps, because he decided they were big, scary things that he couldn't go over no matter what.

It's happened before... I just work through it and make him listen to me...that's all the advice I myself can give... but I feel you. (:

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post #14 of 31 Old 12-03-2008, 11:05 PM
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Dissinterested.... hmmm .... ok.

its hard to say really with out personally knowing the horse, or being able to see him.

A far as paddock mates go .... if hes the submissive type, purhaps trying to find an equally subbmissive horse or even try another animal all together.

Have you tried liberty work?

Maby just chilling out with him? graze him in hand..... take him for a walk just leading him. Work him on the ground.



ehhh....im not sure .

Tell us how is goes with your trainer any way.
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post #15 of 31 Old 12-04-2008, 04:35 AM
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Its good having your trainer ride him. I would start riding him slowly again, especially since its winter.. The changing of seasons can affect their moods.. My gelding loves the summer and can be a nut, yet in the winter I can barely get him past the jog that won him WCs hahha. This winter could be affecting him differently than the past on top of being in a new place?

I would start riding him less, like once or twice. Keep the workouts really light and noninvasive. Just basic and easy stuff, praise him a lot and keep it short.. I would say no more than a half hour.. Do things you know he likes to do, for example if he loves to jump or lope do it first.. then try getting him to relax and be supple. Spend a lot of time grooming him. Just try to make it extremely enjoyable overall. Then maybe lunge him another once or twice a week for like twenty minutes and just notice his demeanor lunging.

He may just be tense and have anxiety about one part of the workout. If you can figure out what he really doesn't like or is anxious about, isolate it and do it first. (My filly is a nutcase and fights the bit, trots to the point of forging, and is overall very irritating and unresponsive sometimes when we start a workout. Then I realized she was anxious about cantering. Because its cold, I can't really canter her right away, so I either lunge her first or I suffer through the horrible trot for a little bit, then I just canter her early and hand gallop her and let her get the ants out of her pants... I let her canter until she starts to get tired.. then I work on the trot, and she is suddenly supple and has a nice rhythm, bends around, responsive to my voice and leg etc.)

I would start by just making really easy and enjoyable workouts that seem less like work and more like bonding/fun for him. Maybe even start on the ground and let him follow you around and stuff. I'm not a believer of the horse games really, but when I ride my gelding if I need to set up ground poles or jumps or anything in the arena, I just let him follow me and figure out what I'm doing. He's practically up my butt in a cute way and I know he's enjoying it. I also give him really good grooming.. I usually don't groom him after I ride, but if we have a good ride I will give him a nice hard curry because I know he loves that.. and the positive energy from our ride comes out in the grooming.

I could be nuts though. :)

If you really think the pasture has something to do with it, I would either wait it out until he finds his place or see if you can move him. Would he be okay alone? Try him solo for a bit and see if his attitude improves. :)
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post #16 of 31 Old 12-04-2008, 12:47 PM
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I like Drop your Reins approach...........

Maybe he's just tired. Maybe he's missing something in his diet, 5 days a week is a fairly hard training schedule. I'm sure he's feeling your frustration as well, they can be so in tuned with our emotions. What does the BO/trainer have to say during your lessons? Is she giving you tips during your lesson to help overcome some of the issues?
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I know that not everyone will agree with me but try him in the barrel racing bit again and just make sure that you are using light hands. Perhaps that's the bit he associates with "working".

I know there are some people that would rather be burned at the stake than use a Tom Thumb, but I have a horse that actually LIKES it!!! That's the bit he knows and was trained in and the one that he responds to.

Dumas is also a 10 yo gelding and a Oring in his mouth might as well be grass....He doesn't care.

Go back to what was working and go from there. That's the approach I would use.

Good Luck!!!!

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Dumas, you could be right.
I always thought that if he was not responding to something I should go to a lighter bit but it doesn't seem to be working. The barrel racing bit is a gag bit of some sort with copper keys in the middle he really likes. I don't know exactly what it is called but maybe I could get a picture up of it eventually.

Because it is such a heavy bit I definitely do ride with really light hands in it but I have been getting a lot of crap from other riders at my barn for riding him in it. They think I am abusing him in it or something ::rolls eyes::

Eventually down the road I want to show. Obviously, this would not be a legal bit showing but what could I transfer him over to? I have absolutely no ideas for English, and there is one bit I was playing around with he likes but it's also a snaffle so I wouldn't be able to use that either. None he likes as much as his barrel bit though

Obviously, I'm not trying to show him right now or anything, I just want to get responding but I am a bit worried about him only responding to the one bit...

If any of that makes sense.
I'm rambling. Sorry
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Ummmmmmm... I know exactly Zip about english riding in general. I'm all western.

I would go back to the Barrel bit and work on cues other than the bit. Maybe it's the keys he likes...They are pacifiers.

I wish I could advise you on what bit to move to for english. I would get a photo and slap it up here. We have many english riders here and perhaps they could advise you on a similar bit that would fit into the "rules" for the dicipline you are working on.

It makes lots of sense!!! Don't worry about rambling...I'm aweful at that too.

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I was going to add... That I wouldn't worry about what the other riders are saying. Use what works and know in your heart that you are doing right by him. They can gab and gasp and gawk at that "horrible bit" but being narrow-minded won't help your horse. They just need to bugger off. They don't know all the details.

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