Not standing on crossties/Dislikes grooming?

I didn't say Booting, I said KNEE, there is a difference.
As for young, I only start young unhandled stud colts, nothing else anymore and they ahave NO handling and yet in a day or two I expect, no demand they stand quiet and unmoving in cross ties.
And as for KNOWING it won't?? Have you tried it?? Unless you have you don't really KNOW.

There are no bad horses just bad handlers.

I am sorry if I offended you. You are right, I don't know you or your horses. I assume and we all know what happens when you ASSume?
Yes we make one out of ourselves
I am sorry.

To each their own on training. Gotta remember horses KICK each other with full force.
Anyways if you have a round pen or even just a lunge line. Go to brush him if he doesn't stand Make him Move. Maybe turn him once or twice then try again. He'll wanna stand after a while.
Id also stick him to the patience post more.

Lol @ that.

Apology accepted, Rio. Thank you.

Same principle. You are smacking a horse for not having patience. I know that doesn't work.

Exactly how many unhandled stud colts does your barn owner let on her property every year?

Only the ones I buy and I geld them immediately. I don't have any use for a stud but that is all I like to buy. I find them outgoing, brave and if unhandled unspoiled but that said I won't keep one a stud.
In 51 years I have worked out a system that MAKES good horses.
And yes I use the same syestem over and over. Why mess with something that works.

Kneeing a horse in the ribs is no different than it getting kicked while playing or you giving a kick while riding. That being said, the best thing I have seen my grandmother do is just tie him short for a few hours. Start with just a single tie, and ignore him but keep an eye on him while you do barn chores. Once he quiets down, wait a little while and after he stands quietly for some time untie him. Keep doing this until he quits the fidgeting and up the ante to the cross ties. Once he learns that acting will not get him untied, he'll stand quietly. She has used this method for probably 30+ years and always has success.

Agreed with kassierae. We always start our young horses out with some standing alone time.

I have to agree with Riosdad. I do not own a horse who will not tie and stand quietly. I also do not own a horse that rears kicks or bits. Why. B/C I do not tolerate it. If they move they get kneed just like he was talking about. If they rear they get kicked of they bit they think they are going to die. It is very simple. There are certain hills to die on and those are mine. Every one of my babies stand tied by the time they are weaned. I have even hauled several weanlings to shows and left them tied to the trailer all day when they where not being shown. Ever single one of them where little angles. Now I did hot have to knee them to get them to do it. However the discipline was relative to their age when needed.

You are the heard leading. Do the same thing the lead mare would do. They do not stand and try to understand the horses feelings. They use discipline and the force needed to get the results needed. No more or less.

Riosdad: Man! I'm really liking this side of you lol. I remember when you wouldn't hold back ANYTHING and just spurt crap out (as I did too), it's nice to see you're calming down haha. I think I still need to work on that as well. Now back to the topic...I agree with you 100%.