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post #1 of 14 Old 04-21-2014, 08:15 PM Thread Starter
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Not sure where to go from here

I recently bought a suppose to be 4 yr old paint, turns out he is actually 3 but he is not broke. When I bought him I was told how he has had tack on him and he is nervous but should not be a problem. I brought him to the barn I am boarding him and he was nervous, wouldn't let you go near him, turned his butt to you. Now you can go in the stall with him and touch him but he has attitude like no tomorrow. He is very nervous about his hind quarters. I have tried getting a towel and rubbing it on him and he was iffy about that and got a stick and rubbed it up and down his legs and hind. He likes to lift his back foot a bit and show you that he is going to kick. Eventually I was able to put a saddle pad on him and some days I can some days I can't get it near his back. I tried lunging him this weekend and he wont move. He stands there and looks at you and I tried using the whip and (not hard) hitting his back end and still would not move. He started making it so you can't even get the whip to touch his butt because he pulled it away. He is a very stubborn guy. The past two days now I have gone to see him and he looks at me and walks away and will not let me anywhere near him, has absolutely no interest in me. I feel like he hates me now for wanting to do some work with him and I just don't know what to do anymore. I am not experience at training horses but I think I am doing pretty good with him, I just have no clue where to start now or what to do next. Sorry this is so long, hopefully I can find some help here because everywhere else is not working.
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post #2 of 14 Old 04-21-2014, 08:23 PM
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I think at this point you have one of two decisions you can make.

A) You can get a professional trainer to work with him (and you) and invest the money into him.

B) You can sell him and with a trainer find a more suitable mount for your skill level.

With the way this horse is acting I would personally not take the risk to put myself in danger with him, seek a trainer who can work with horses that have these problems and instruct you on the safety elements and how to handle it thoroughly.
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post #3 of 14 Old 04-21-2014, 08:36 PM
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I agree you need to get a trainer. Your asking things of him that he is not ready for, and does not understand. If you don't have experience training young horses your going to get hurt. Right now he is fearful, his instinct is to survive his sense of self preservation will rule his actions. You should not be taking his attitude personally, he needs a leader and if you don't know how to be his leader get some help, or sell him and find something more suitable for your level of knowledge.
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post #4 of 14 Old 04-21-2014, 08:58 PM
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You are no where near ready to work with a horse that is this green. You are going to get hurt and he is going to get incredibly spoiled. Get rid of him or trade him in on a more suitable horse.

If you want to start learning how to go about training horses, volunteer your time to work at some trainer's barn. Clean stalls, tack up horses, bathe and put horses away. You will learn more just 'hanging out' there than all of the internet conversations here can possibly teach you. Right now, you do not know what you do not know.
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post #5 of 14 Old 04-21-2014, 09:11 PM
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I think at this point you have one of two decisions you can make.

A) You can get a professional trainer to work with him (and you) and invest the money into him.

B) You can sell him and with a trainer find a more suitable mount for your skill level.

With the way this horse is acting I would personally not take the risk to put myself in danger with him, seek a trainer who can work with horses that have these problems and instruct you on the safety elements and how to handle it thoroughly.

I agree 100%. You should get a trainer or sell him on. You need a hrose that is better matched to your skill level. That is no shame to admit. Just the way it is.
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post #6 of 14 Old 04-23-2014, 09:10 AM
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First of all, it sounds like you were sold a bill of goods and a very unhandled 3 year old horse. Your horse does not "hate" you. He is just green and very unhandled.. and you are green and unable to be clear with him.

Horses are not like dogs and way not like Disney, Fury, the Black Stallion or Flicka. They are beautiful but they are livestock. They prefer the company of other horses and prefer to be a member of a herd. Communication is often subtle and can be very rough.

You are very green too (and that is not a bad thing.. we were not born knowing stuff and I bet you know things I do not know!). Because of that, your approach to this horse is tentative and unclear. HE reads YOU better than you can read him! So.. he sees you not as a leader but as a pest.. he warns you to leave him be by cocking a foot at you and turning his butt (same as he would another horse he considers lower on the pecking order). He walks away. He prefers the company of other horses (and that is natural).

I agree with the others.. this is not the right horse for you as a beginner. You need to move him on to someone who can train him and use him and you need an older (like late teens early 20's) horse that has seen the world (like an ex successful show horse) and can teach you!

To send this horse out to a trainer will be large money and quite a long while to get his and your skill sets to match (like sent out for 6 months to a year!!). All the while your horse is out being trained, you should be taking lessons 2X a week and practicing days in between learning how to handle, ride and 'read' horses.

Cut your losses.. and sell this boy. Get an appropriate older horse and learn learn learn.. and get lessons!!
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post #7 of 14 Old 04-23-2014, 09:48 AM
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turned his butt to you.... He likes to lift his back foot a bit and show you that he is going to kick.
And some day, he is going to. I am not saying this to be rude, but you do not know what you are doing. That is a recipe for your horse to take advantage of you. It only takes a split second for the horse to decide to kick. And possibly put you in the emergency room .... or even kill you (very easy to puncture a lung with a rib and be life-threatening).

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I tried using the whip and (not hard) hitting his back end and still would not move.
How do you feel when a fly keeps buzzing by your ear? Really annoyed, right? You'd love to squash the fly that keeps pestering you, right?

You are pestering you horse in the same way by tapping him with the whip. He's going to get annoyed with you (or already has) and is may eventually attack you in order to get you to stop annoying him.


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The past two days now I have gone to see him and he looks at me and walks away and will not let me anywhere near him, has absolutely no interest in me. I feel like he hates me now for wanting to do some work with him and I just don't know what to do anymore.
He doesn't hate you. Horses aren't humans and they don't think like humans.

But your horse has ZERO respect for you. Try to think of a herd of wild horses. There's always a head stallion who is in charge, right? Everyone else in the herd listens to that head stallion. If they don't, and get out line, what will that lead stallion do? First, he'll pin his ears as a warning. If the deviant horse does not reply, the stallion will swiftly kick or bite the horse as punishment.

That horse has respect for the lead stallion and does what he says. Right now, YOUR horse is the lead stallion between you and him. He is calling the shots ... not you. It needs to be the other way around.


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I am not experience at training horses but I think I am doing pretty good with him, I just have no clue where to start now or what to do next.
Again, I do not mean to be rude, but I say this for your SAFETY. You are not doing good with this horse. He is not dangerous at the moment, but the things you say he has been doing can very quickly switch to dangerous in the blink of an eye. Remember: You have made him the lead stallion. He will not think twice about biting, kicking, or chasing you if you don't do what he wants. He's only 3. If you teach these bad habits to him now, he's going to have a hard life being a dangerous horse.

You need someone experienced to train this horse for you, so that he realizes the humans are the one in charge. Or you need to sell him to someone that is experienced enough to handle him while he can be fixed.

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post #8 of 14 Old 04-23-2014, 10:21 AM
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To innis2, I hope you aren't disheartened by these responses. Elana put it very well for you, and this is by no means a bad reflection on you. The person who sold you this horse was highly irresponsible both to you, and to the horse.

There is absolutely no quick fix to this. You need an experienced horse and this horse is not.

This horse needs an experienced young-horse trainer and you are not.

Be brave, and be strong with a decision to re-home this horse so that the BOTH of you can move forward.
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post #9 of 14 Old 04-23-2014, 10:24 AM
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I can't say much more than what the others have said...but have a question. Did you have an experienced person or friend go with you when you bought this horse? If you had, I think you would have walked away from this one with an experienced person's advice.
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post #10 of 14 Old 04-23-2014, 10:45 AM
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All that said, I would LOVE to see a photo of this horse! :)

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