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post #1 of 11 Old 06-26-2012, 03:18 AM Thread Starter
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Not very responsive to the bit

Koby isn't being very responsive to the bit. I know when people hear this they automatically think "hard hands" but I have very soft hands and only resort to putting pressure on the bit when necessary. I am becoming very frustrated and need some advice for making him more responsive. Last year he wasn't ridden at all so I'm guessing that's a big part of it. I bought him in October but he got cancer soon after that so I have only started to really work with him recently. I can't afford a trainer right now but I know that is the best option. However, I also know of people who don't have hundreds of dollars for a trainer and just figure it out themselves. That isn't ideal for me, but with his 2,000 + dollars in medical bills plus boarding that is starting to become my only option. I am only 16 and have a lot to learn so I could use any advice I could get! Thank you!
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One more thing. He is being ridden in a simple one ringed snaffle bit.

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post #2 of 11 Old 06-26-2012, 07:56 AM
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It is not as simple a 'soft hands' and 'hard hands'.

It is a matter of 'good hands', 'good feel', 'good timing' and 'good control' of the rider's hands. Hands need to 'soft' when the horse is responding correctly and need to be 'effective' when the horse is not so that they educate the horse's brain (not his mouth) to respond to the lightest contact.

If I have a horse 'lean' or 'push' against my hands I get pretty harsh with them and drive hard with my legs and take a hard hold on those reins. Withing a few minutes, the horse will become desperate to get away from my hands. He usually first will raise his head. If the rider's hands pull even harder, the horse will probably sling his head from side to side to get away from the rider's hands. If the hands are still there and the rider's legs push him even harder into the pressure on his mouth, he will finally 'break at the poll' and bring his mouth down and back toward the rider's hands.

BINGO! If the rider gives him release (relief) when he does that, he will quickly learn that it is pleasant when he gives the correct response and not-so-pleasant when he pushes against or fights the rider's hands.

If a rider just engages in a pulling match with a horse, the 1000#+ horse is always going to win.

We don't train the mouth -- we train the brain. We make it unpleasant for the wrong thing and comfortable for the right. So, if a person never pulls hard enough to make the wrong thing difficult or unpleasant, the right thing never happens.

The rider should strive for 'good hands'. These are hands that makes it rough on the horse when the horse does not do the right thing and are soft and kind when the horse is doing the correct thing.

After only a few rides, any horse with a trainable and cooperative mind should be able to be ridden with the reins lightly held between the rider's thumbs and pinky fingers and should do downward transition and stop with only that much hold of the reins.

Once the horse's mind has figured out that you intend to reinforce the request made by way of the reins, he will simply have more respect for your hands. Then, the kind of response that he is giving you when you give him release (a light hand) is what you are or have been training him to do.

To have 'effective hands', you have to take more hold when it is necessary and give release and ride with a light hand when he is responding correctly. Then, on top of that, you need to learn to ride with 'perfectly quiet' hands that do not bump and jerk the reins as you ride. Most people have hands that move a lot more than they think they do. Videos of one's self are an excellent tool to use to determine how 'quiet' and 'steady' one's hands actually are.
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Thank you so much! I completely get what you're saying.
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Koby isn't being very responsive to the bit.
Before offering any advice - could you explain what you mean?

Also are you using any other aids? Legs, seat, etc?
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I could not have expressed that half as well as Cherie did. That's a golden nugget.

My teacher calls it "make the rein meaningful" . So, that the rein has a meaning in it, and if the horse chooses to ignore it and lean on the bit, you have to meet there push with your resistance. But, you don't equal them , or you'd be in a meaningless tug of war. You meet their resistance with the same PLUS ONE OUNCE MORE! So, if they resist a little, you resist the same, but you add just enough that you aren't stuck in a stalemate. If the horse is really braced up hard, you will have to get pretty hard yourself. But don't go to super hard if the horse is just reisisting a little. And dont yank, you slide your hand down the rein and add pressure as needed , but don't yank or snap the reins.

and be prompt on your releases.
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Before offering any advice - could you explain what you mean?

Also are you using any other aids? Legs, seat, etc?
Sorry I should have added more info. I always use leg and seat cues before I ask with the reins. I was taught that reins aren't used for stearing so I always think about that when riding. I hope this helps! :)
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I could not have expressed that half as well as Cherie did. That's a golden nugget.

My teacher calls it "make the rein meaningful" . So, that the rein has a meaning in it, and if the horse chooses to ignore it and lean on the bit, you have to meet there push with your resistance. But, you don't equal them , or you'd be in a meaningless tug of war. You meet their resistance with the same PLUS ONE OUNCE MORE! So, if they resist a little, you resist the same, but you add just enough that you aren't stuck in a stalemate. If the horse is really braced up hard, you will have to get pretty hard yourself. But don't go to super hard if the horse is just reisisting a little. And dont yank, you slide your hand down the rein and add pressure as needed , but don't yank or snap the reins.

and be prompt on your releases.


Thank you! I remember being taught this but I haven't worked with a trainer in several months so I guess I forgot. Thanks for the refresher!
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Okay .. my heart skipped a beat.

"Unresponsive" means something totally different to someone in healthcare ...

Carry on.

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yes , that title scared me too! maybe, if the oP doesn't mind, i'll change it to.
"not reponsive to the rein"
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post #10 of 11 Old 06-26-2012, 05:27 PM Thread Starter
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LOL sorry guys! I didn't mean for it to sound that way. Oops!
I like the new name better :)

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