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post #1 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 06:34 AM Thread Starter
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Not a whole lotta stop..... Need help

ok so my new guy doesnt have a lot of stop to him.
He neck reins when he wants to. But he is gate sour so I have to direcr rein him away from the gate.

I tried a full cheek snaffle on him this past weekend and I don't have a clue what I am doing wrong. He wont stop with that bit in his mouth. Then when I am trying to stop him or direct rein him, I hear him chomping on the bit. I can see marks on the copper bars of the bit now.

I checked and its behind his tushes teeth and before his premolars There is a slight wrinkle on both sides of him mouth.

Is it the bit? What do you suggest?

Not sure what to do.

Wanted to try a bitless bridle, but with little to no whoaaa on him, I didnt think that would help.


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post #2 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 06:40 AM
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Do you have any idea what the previous owner used on him? I know I get yelled at a lot for using a curb bit but with a horse that is supposed to be finished that's what I would use. I think on older finished horses they sometimes don't respect a snaffle.

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I had a horse that when I got her home and put a snaffle in her mouth I had all sorts of problems. I called the gal I bought her from and asked her what to do. She said she had a bit that worked really well for her. I bought the bit and didn't have any more problems. When I sold the horse, I sold her with the bit. It was a Myler shanked (curb) bit.


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post #3 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 09:19 AM Thread Starter
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The previous owner used a full cheek and sometimes a tom thumb. I hate tom thumbs.


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I don't know...What about a simple curb. Ya know the ones that have a solid bit piece with a low port and attach to the shanks without any swivels or anything...just a simple leverage bit? Arrrrgh... I can't get my fingers to type the words in my head!!!!! I'll see if I can get a picture...

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post #5 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 09:51 AM Thread Starter
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Oh another thing I should mention is, when I direct reined him with the full cheek, he would toss his head.


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How does he react to your seat?
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post #7 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 10:17 AM Thread Starter
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If I put my legs forward & sit deep and try and stop him, he seems to stop a little easier than if I don't put my feet forward.


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post #8 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 10:53 AM
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I'm just wondering if he's used to another method or progression of aids...rein pressure is usually the last aid I use in stopping, so its usually the last place I'll look for a problem as well. The previous owner might be able to help you out more on that front. Also, I'd ask about the tack specifics: is he used to a closer contact saddle? Maybe he's chewing the bit because its not the sweet iron one he likes? It could be any number of things, but I'm guessing you aren't asking him quite like he's used to.
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post #9 of 17 Old 05-27-2008, 11:22 AM Thread Starter
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The person I bought him from was pretty much a horse trader and had used him as a lesson horse... that's how he got gate sour. From kids stopping at the gate and getting off/on at the gate.

I have found the phone number for someone who owned him back in 2003 - I might give them a call tonight to see what they can tell me, if anything, about him too.


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Eh...it COULD be something he picked up as a lesson horse. Who knows...there are quite enough sour lesson horses out there to make it a possibility.

I suggest taking it slow; a full cheek snaffle is perfectly fine, you can try another if you'd like, but I'd stick with that level of bit at this point. Work on getting him to flex his neck, to give to the bit smoothly and softly. Do figures, do lateral work. If he doesn't want to stop, don't fret about it, just keep him on a small circle till he does listen. Get rid of the tension and he will be more amenable to the aids. He'll be less likely to lean on the bit and just plow along.

Anyway, that's what we do with the ottb's, so that would be my first strategy. If he's still uncomfortable with the bit after a couple of sessions, I might look into trying something else.
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