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post #11 of 16 Old 01-24-2010, 02:27 AM
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With babies(or at least with two of my foals this year) the quickest way to a little baby's affections is through butt scratches(if you can't get to the withers yet)... Their little necks just aren't long enough, and for a little horse those itchy spots are a big deal. Who doesn't like to dwell on the itchy spots of a young foal? It is so cute to see their expressions. You soon become that wonderful butt/tail scratcher when you go out to them. Just as when you start graining him, you become the all powerful grain dispenser. They are very selfish creatures. They'll like you so long as you have a known use to them. Oh how their worlds change when they get old enough to return the favors. You think you have accomplished a great breakthrough with your baby because he'll come right up to you and let you handle him, even though that means he'll come up and put his butt on you for more glorious attention. You can start with the butt and move up from there, to a preferable spot, like the withers and neck. If you just dwell on the rear and don't really progress the handling from there, then you have done the baby a disservice. Itchy spots are just a key to unlocking many things with a little baby.
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post #12 of 16 Old 01-24-2010, 07:47 AM Thread Starter
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Hmm interesting but still not a behavior I want from my horses.

I agree with another poster. I wont use scare tactics but if she presents her butt I am just gonna ignore it and wait till she turns to look at me. I am perfectly happy to scratch her but (my gelding always has that itchy spot by his tail I take care of ;) )but I want her head first. She REALLY likes her chest and withers scratched so I am going to aim for those spots first and will work up the neck.

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post #13 of 16 Old 01-24-2010, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj View Post

Either way, I would never encourage it. I don't mind it in adult horses, Eve does it all the time, it's hilarious - if you're standing the pasture, she'll zero in on you and then as precisely as backing up a Mac truck into a stable, she backs her butt into you. She'll stop about two inches away, glance back, and if you haven't commenced scratching, she'll carefully back up so her tail brushes you as reminder. In a horse like Eve, I do not mind this - she has already been taught that kicking isn't acceptable, and she ONLY does it if we're standing around scratching other horses. She has learned it's ok to do if we're standing around solely for the purpose of scratching bums.
Too true...none of our other mares do this but when Eve does it, it's a good laugh. She'll actually FOLLOW you backwards to maintain her position to be easily scratched. Like Moki said, she'll ever so carefully back herself in tiny steps until she's an inch from you and if you ignore it, she'll lean back and touch you with her tail as if to "clear her throat" to make sure you know she's there! If you walk around the other side of whatever horse you were paying attention to, she'll casually walk around, reline it up, and proceed to get into position...such a ham!

I'd try getting her curious before shaking grain though...if that doesn't work, then try with goodies. I mean, when she turns her butt, walk a couple steps away and see what she does. If she walks off, follow and try again. Obviously don't do this for hours if it's not getting you anywhere, but if this is something that your foal's been "taught", then it's understanding that it's doing the right thing. I agree with not using scare tactics, you're likely to get booted. I think all you need to correct this is time, effort, patience, and LOTS of rewarding once the foal does turn to face you. Good luck and keep us posted! Can't wait to see pics! I'm a sucker for foal pics...

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I can't imagine letting a horse turn their butt to me. I have a 17 month old, I have had her since she was 7 months, and she has never tried to "offer" her butt. My horses actually know that they are not allowed, ever, under any circumstance, to show my their butts. I'd follow Macabre's advice on getting her to face you without scaring her. You may also work on getting her to move off a pressure cue, teach her to side step or move her hindquarters away from you.

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SO I think we made a little progress today. I went in with her again and she came over and turned her butt waiting to be scratched. I ignored her and stepped away, she turned her head and looked at me then scooted her butt to me again so I stepped away and she turned her head and looked at me again and I held my hand out and she turned her shoulder toward me so I stepped up and she let me pet her on the withers and then right up to her head. I went and rode my gelding and then came to see her again before I left and she walked up and sniffed me and did not offer her butt. So I think I will just keep this routine of ignoring her back end and only responding when she actually looks at me cuz if today is any indication she is responding to it. She seems more responsive to attention (or lack of it) then to food or treats which is fine cuz I hardly give my gelding treats and don't have many on hand ;)

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post #16 of 16 Old 01-24-2010, 08:03 PM
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That's fantastic! It definately sounds like it won't be hard to re-program her if she has spots just as itchy as her bum. She'll figure out fast her nose gets her farther then her tail does

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