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    12-15-2012, 12:05 AM
  #11
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Why don't you just long trot him for timed intervals on a loose rein while you ride him - in an arena and not in a longe circle? Not only would he get into great shape, but it would be less stressful on him mentally and physically.

I would get ulcers too if I had to trot circles with my head in my chest...
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    12-15-2012, 12:23 AM
  #12
Green Broke
Thanks but he wasn't forced it this position in any way, and he has ulcers from a complete different reason. And iv been working on trying to help get him off his forehand I'd love to just trot on the long side of the arena but he will full on drop onto the forehand at mock 10 speed.

I'm thinking about getting him out in the trails this week.
Another reason for lunging is he needs to warm up without me on him, we work better this way when coming back into work, he just had two and half weeks off and he's still very forward and I like to lunge my horses ESP when they are young and coming back from time off and when they are feeling a little uncomfortable so I can see how they are moving, you can't always feel it and I'd rather see it first an go from there.

To be honest oh vair oh I feel slightly insulted by you telling me my horses face to strapped to his chest.
     
    12-15-2012, 02:35 AM
  #13
Weanling
Can you longe him without the extra equipment? Just with a halter and not with the longeline ran back to a stirrup and with side reins?

I don't think that you are doing any favors with him working like he is in those pictures.
     
    12-15-2012, 07:01 AM
  #14
Yearling
As others have said, he's on the forehand and behind the vertical.

I have to say, running the lunge line from the girth to the bit ring has never occurred to me and I have never seen anyone do that. Can you explain why you're doing it that way? It's like half a long rein, but to me, rather ineffective as the point of long reins is that you have an active, responsive outside rein (which a side rein isn't). Also with long reins, I'd run them through the higher rings of a surcingle, so they'd be closer to the withers than to the girth. Your point of contact on that rein is quite low, and I'm wondering if that isn't contributing to the horse being on his forehand.

I really hate lunging, to be honest, but when I do it, I either use a cavesson or if I don't have one, I run the line through the inside bit ring and either under the chin or over the poll, depending on what suits the horse. I may or may not use side reins depending on what I'm trying to do.
     
    12-15-2012, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
I have to say, running the lunge line from the girth to the bit ring has never occurred to me and I have never seen anyone do that. Can you explain why you're doing it that way? It's like half a long rein, but to me, rather ineffective as the point of long reins is that you have an active, responsive outside rein (which a side rein isn't).
I've seen it a fair bit, and I've used it occasionally with a horse that needs a whip because I'm incredibly uncoordinated and can't do two reins AND a whip when lungeing. I'd definitely prefer two reins - but I'd think it would take a fair bit of skill and coordination.

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Also with long reins, I'd run them through the higher rings of a surcingle, so they'd be closer to the withers than to the girth. Your point of contact on that rein is quite low, and I'm wondering if that isn't contributing to the horse being on his forehand.
Strongly agree here - I like to have any reins (side or long) going through a bit ring that's in a similar place to where your hands would be. And nice and long too if side-reins, just coming into action when the horse goes around like a giraffe like some do on the lunge.

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I really hate lunging, to be honest, but when I do it, I either use a cavesson or if I don't have one, I run the line through the inside bit ring and either under the chin or over the poll, depending on what suits the horse. I may or may not use side reins depending on what I'm trying to do.
Under the chin and over the poll work with varying success on different horses. The chin can be a bit of a painful place to have a metal d-clip especially if the horse is a bit fresh and pulls away. It also creates a nutcracker action with single-joint bits so I'd stick with french-links/mullen mouths for that. But in saying that some horses, like Brock, hate the poll pressure that comes into play with putting it over the poll. So I guess it all depends on the horse. Neither of these tend to help with the giraffe problem though.

To be honest I'm not a fan of lungeing in general either, but it does have its uses in certain situations. If the horse isn't going around properly though, you're better off not working the horse than working him incorrectly.
     
    12-15-2012, 07:32 AM
  #16
Yearling
I don't have one single-joint snaffle to my name. I've only ever used French links.

The issues you illustrated with both the under the chin and method and the over the poll method are precisely why the lunging cavesson is the best option if you're going to lunge with a single line. Both the other methods are compromises, but I prefer them over the method I'm seeing in these photos. I don't see how the OP can drive the horse forward and uphill when he has that downward pressure going on from the contact.
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    12-15-2012, 07:43 AM
  #17
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Yup!! Sadly I've seen very few lungeing cavessons for sale here (weirdly - but then I don't think I've ever seen anyone use one so it may be a cultural thing ) and the ones I have are all in full size which is just a tad too small for my boofhead
     
    12-15-2012, 08:00 AM
  #18
Trained
Evil, is there not a Horseland near you? I bought my cavesson from there, and it is very adjustable. Could be adjusted to fit my TB mare that had a cob size head, through to my Mum's TB gelding that was a WB size.
     
    12-15-2012, 08:20 AM
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Evil, is there not a Horseland near you? I bought my cavesson from there, and it is very adjustable. Could be adjusted to fit my TB mare that had a cob size head, through to my Mum's TB gelding that was a WB size.
There is one way out north-west but I don't have a car I have to go to Brighton because I'm one of those old-fashioned farts that can't buy stuff without touching it and taking it apart first

But there's no way he'd fit a Full - his head isn't particularly long as such and he's a comfortable Full in cheekpieces/crownpiece, but definite WB in the throatlatch and noseband. Otherwise I'd totally be getting one!

Klassic - do you have any photos of your horse working (either lunge or under saddle) before he got ulcers? As far as the order of fixing stuff, to get him working properly I'd wait til he was better and if he needs lots of exercise to keep him from getting into trouble I'd look at free-schooling/liberty work (which is really fun for him too - a lot more stimulating than lungeing). Liberty work can come in handy if you forget key pieces of tack, which I do all the time

Once he's better, the first thing to do will be to fix the BTV/avoiding contact issue. Only once he's seeking contact will he be working properly and be able to get off the forehand. Once he's off the forehand then he'll be able to start developing a good contact. Sounds a bit like chicken and eggs but it's just a matter of rebalancing him. Unless he's really struggling to lift his back when you're in the saddle (which from other threads he doesn't seem to be) then I'd think those issues are easier to sort out under saddle.

I'd be starting by looking for a really good quality walk before I moved onto trot/canter work though. Sounds boring I know, but you can still do some trot and canter out hacking and stuff so neither of you get bored, but make sure you don't ignore the quality of your walk
     

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