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        04-15-2011, 08:07 AM
    One bit problem more...

    At first, please if similiar thread has been opened please let me know. I was looking for it, but can't really find it.
    My 14 years old mare has a problem. She's not comfortable with bit. I have a snaffle (I belive it's called like that in english), bit like this:

    And bridle like this:

    Before I had her teeth done it was like that: when I came in the stable, with a bridle, she started opening her mouth. She turned and showed me her hind. When I was fastening the bridle she was opening her mouth. When I was riding her it was much better than some other horses. She wasn't hard on her mouth, or pulling me, absolutely nothing, only if she is nervous (if she got scared she started chewing it, for a minute after the scary thing went away).
    Then I called a vet and he brushed(?) her teeth. She doesn't open her mouth anymore when I come in her stable anymore, or shows me her hind. But she still is opening her mouth when I'm fastening the parts of birdle. When I'm riding her she is good, pnly if she is nervous she chews.
    She is very responsive when I'm riding and leg and my weight are enough to lead, turn, stop, etc. her. I hold reins very lightly and I was often yelled at by my trainer, because he wanted me to hold them short and all the time.
    Should I worry because she is opening her mouth when I'm bridling her? I know that if she didn't have the last one bond (that goes under the bit-on her nose) she would open her mouth when I ride her...
    I ride few times bitless, it's good, but I don't dare to go trail ridng without a bit.
    She was a showjuper before I got her, and she was ridden by numerous not so kind bits, additional reins and other stuff that helped her owner hold mare's head down. (Owner wasn't able to hold her head down-Candy just threw her head up and escaped from the pressure of the bit. Then she cantered where she wanted and it didn't end good when competing). Could opening mouth be because of that?
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        04-15-2011, 04:01 PM
    Her noseband is too low down, the cavesson part should only be a couple of finger's width in front of her point of cheek. Maybe it is pressing on her nose?
        04-15-2011, 04:04 PM
    This picture shows how it should be fitted:

        04-15-2011, 04:07 PM
    Thanks, I'll fix it tomorrow. Maybe this is a problem.
        04-15-2011, 04:13 PM
    It's definitely too low. I see it now. Plus the noseband I have it's a bit weird. It's not straight but it's lower on the nose...
        04-15-2011, 06:18 PM
    Do you absolutely have to use the noseband (is she bad without it? Does the trainer make you use it?)? If you can get away without it, I would.

    Opening the mouth for bridling isn't that big of a deal, though.

    What the vet did is called "floating" the teeth (at least here in the States), and it should be done at least annually.

    I wonder how she would do in a French link bit. It looks exactly like the one you have, but the mouthpiece has three parts instead of two, and many horses prefer it because it allows more room for their tongues.
        04-15-2011, 07:55 PM
    I agree to raise the nose band. This type of nose band should be two finger widths from the edge of her jaw bone. Make sure the flash band (which goes down around the front of bit) is not too tight. It should NEVER press down on her nostrils (where she takes air into her body)

    I think that the bit you are using for this horse is too FAT. She may have a very small mouth inside and when you put a thick bit inside, she feels like she is gagging (choking), so tries to open mouth and spit it out. Get a thinner bit and try a French link.

    This bit is one that I have used and is good and not expensive. The diameter of the mouthpiece is 13 mm.

    Dover Saddlery | AlBaCon French Link Loose Ring Snaffle Bit .
        04-16-2011, 05:12 AM
    Thanks everybody :)
    I've never rode a horse without nose band. I'll try though. Maybe it'll be good. But once when I took her flash band down, she was opening her mouth constantly.
    She had her teeth floated in the end of January and I'm sure her flash band isn't too tight.
    Currently I have 16mm diameter, before I had 21mm
    I'll definitely try a thiner french link bit.

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