Originally Posted by toto
Tiedown is a noseband (western)-- aint the same as a english cavesson.
What a tiedown is going to do is make him front end heavy and be easier for her to pull the reins out of your hands-- I reckon it might cause another problem- the horse planting her front legs and throwing her head up In place of the 'scooping' -or even rearing.
Has the vet been called to see if its neurological?
Sorry if you already answered the questions I asked-- think you could post me the link to your other thread- please? Id like to see a video of her 'scooping'
Oooh, okay. Sorry, when you said noseband I thought you were referring to the Kineton noseband I was referring to. :) I've never heard of a tiedown called a noseband. My bad.
No, I don't have any videos. I don't have any way to take one or anyone to take one for me. I'm almost completely positive it's not neurological, just based on how she acts and selectively starts reaching. She'll completely stop once we stop working or once I put the reins down for her, and her ears will come back up. I've talked to three trainers about it - off the charts, really, each of them was my barn owner (we've been to a lot of barns, she moves to and from school with me) and they've pretty much agreed. I'll ask my current trainer too, if I have her come out again.
I believe it roots to when she was a commercial trail horse, and has just turned into a habit. No doubt those people had no idea how to handle a horse and yanked on her mouth pretty good, so she'd pull the reins away from them. I think it's just stuck with her as a way to mark her frustration (though I can't guarantee I was soft handed when I just started and didn't know anything...
) Sort of like cribbing - there's a reason for it when they start, but even after the stressful stimulus is gone often times they will continue out of habit.
I can see what you mean about the tiedown though, and I won't use it if it doesn't seem like a good idea. As to the other thread - I don't have one. I mean, I had one way back in the day before I got her teeth floated and stuff. But this has mostly been in and out in various other threads that have come up... This is the one I posted in, in the second page the in-saddle bit is explained pretty well. Horse "Scooping" Reins