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    06-22-2012, 09:57 AM
opinions on this technique of floating

And this one

I watched this and I don't know I don't really like this way of floating a horse. I had problems floating muss the other day but to no extent like this, we ended up bribing him with a bit of hay and he walked on(i didnt want to use food but we had no bum rope)
Anyways not the point I was wondering what techniques do people use?
Would you use this 'technique'? What would you do differently?
I'm intrigued to hear some opinions.
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    06-22-2012, 10:10 AM
It seems he is first doing a little groundwork (I'd want a longer lead, but I can see why he uses that length) to get his mind to focus. Then he uses the technique of sending to get the horse into the trailer. He backs off when needed (most of the time, timing is really hard) and encourages when he should.

Personally I don't think it's all that bad. I prefer this over the parade of people pushing the horse in. That's...not constructive.

*Strictly the first video*

Personally I would do something very similar, sending the horse in that is. But the only difference is I would have worked on this through everything. Sending my horse past an object, in between an object, changing directions, etc. so the trailer wouldn't be all that different.

But I'm still learning myself :)

.....Not a fan of the second one.
    06-22-2012, 10:32 AM
The first one is a TOTALLY different concept from the second.

The first is not terribly dissimilar from what I do in a lot of ways. It is a method of having a "conversation" with the horse and explaining that "the trailer will not eat you, I will not eat you and the only way for you to get to relax is to willingly go where I ask you to."

The second one is a gimmick, plain and simple. He starts the video saying something about not using pain to train or correct a horse, but the horse's reaction to some of his actions is clearly a pain reaction.

I want to communicate with my horse and be able to convince her to trust my judgement about going on the trailer. I will not go out and spend money on a piece of tack that claims to train my horse for me. If my horse is behaving, it should not matter if I load her using a rope halter, a leather halter, a nylon halter, or a piece of baling twine around her neck.
    06-22-2012, 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by MysterySparrow    
The first one is a TOTALLY different concept from the second.

I want to communicate with my horse and be able to convince her to trust my judgement about going on the trailer. I will not go out and spend money on a piece of tack that claims to train my horse for me. If my horse is behaving, it should not matter if I load her using a rope halter, a leather halter, a nylon halter, or a piece of baling twine around her neck.
Or the mane on their necks (yes I've done this with Sky before.. to prove a point that he must still listen when the halter comes off, lol)

I agree completely though. Communication.. the first video is full of it. Maybe not as smooth or clear as it could be but it's still MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the second one. That one had me put off from when they showed the noseband apparatus. That horses did not look at all happy and paying attention. He WANTED to communicate (hence the rearing and head shaking) but he was told get in and no pain or stay out and I crank down on that contraption.

It made me kind of angry, because at the beginning he talks about this 'light touch' on the rope to make him move. In the video it was jerking on the rope, pulling, nothing light at ALL.

Honestly if someone tried that with MY horse, I would break their arm if they didn't drop that rope in a new york minute
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    06-22-2012, 11:04 AM
The first video was good. The second one looks to be more of a advertisement for his halter, I didn't really see any technique per say, they elapsed the time so much who knows what went on during that time.
    06-22-2012, 11:15 AM
In the second video, it was a case of 'get in, its your only way out' but in the first video, the horse had a choice. The ground work around the trailer helped the horse learn to respect and trust the handler, and convinced the horse it wouldn't suddenly pounce on him and eat him, then from that the horse could decide getting in the trailer perhaps isnt as scary as he first thought.

In the second video the horse was left with no option but to go in the trailer. If he tried to evade the trailer, he got that hinge thing either crank down on his nose, or force his head up. I'm guessing the reason it took the trainer only 8 minutes was because the horse wanted to put a stop to the **** thing on his face, not because he learnt the trailer was a safe, comfortable place to be. It would be interesting to see how that second trainer got along with a normal halter, or if the horse will load in a normal halter after being trained with the cranky one.

If I was going to try either method, it would deffo be the first! I suppose the first is kinda similar to mine, I do back and forward instead of circles until Alli goes 'actually mum, I'd prefer to keep going forwards up the ramp instead of backing up'
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    06-22-2012, 11:16 AM
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I've seen those Noavel bridles, if you want to call them that. They are a heavy rigid piece of metal, nothing kind about them. I'll bet the next day that horse had a swollen face.
I can maybe understand using one on a horse who has learned it is stronger than a human but only in a very limited fashion.
I know a guy who rides with one but I'm not sure why.

Off topic but #1 video looks like a tiny trailer pulled by a tiny vehicle.
    06-25-2012, 01:33 AM
I thought 2 looked a bit...cruel. And the way he yanked the horses head, if it were my horse I would have tackled him. :/ poor horse.
    06-25-2012, 02:03 AM
Yep, stay away from the Noavel things, they are just straight up nasty business. It's really easy to skin and bruise a horse up handling them a bit rough in a relatively soft rawhide bosal. That thing is made of solid steel and he's yanking on the horse with it. Very little doubt in my mind that there was some pretty obvious damage by the time he was done.

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