from what you've said and done, you obviously have some knowledge of horses and training, so my only piece of advice is say just get rid of him, there are plenty of good horses out there. I know that many people think there's no such thing as a "bad horse" and in most cases they probably are right, but I also think that once in awhile a horses - like a person - can sometimes have something in their personality that just makes them too obnoxious to put up with.
Can/will this horse shape up? Probably...
Is it worth the time and danger? Maybe not...
The time you'll put into fixing this horses problems might be better spent put into a more reliable horse.
I understand everyone's affection for their horses, and I understand no one wanting to give up or admit defeat, but my time that I spend working with horses makes me only want to ride horses I eventually I can trust, the horses I spend the majority of my time on, I really do feel like they'll take pretty good care of me and this guy doesn't sound like he's trustworthy at all. Just my take on the situation...good luck to you whatever you decide to do.
Ok, attached is one photo of him, the rest won't allow me to load them. If your desperate to see more pics, search for my polocrosse pictures thread, and they are in there!
The only video I have of me riding him is at a show I went to recebntly, and it is still on my friends vidoe camera... I will try to get it off and post up here. But it probably won't help too much as he was an angel that day, and got second in that class :]
Mayfield, it could well be that his feet will keep putting him out until they are fixed completely... He is due for the farrier again soonish, so i'll have a chat to him when he comes out and see what he thinks about it. If that's the case I will wait until heis feet are balanced up again and get another course of bodywork for him, which will hoepfully be the end of any residual soreness issues.
Circleck... Thanks for your opinion. I want to say though, this is no way an issue that makes me want to get rid of him. I bought him for 6,000 and already I could get probably 8,000 and in a year or two closer to 10,000. He is like most of my horses, a project. I'm passionately into the training side of horses, and at the moment I will buy a horse, put a year or so worth of training and solid work on it and sell it on.
Apart from this issue, this horse is amazing, and the best horse i've worked with so far. He has an amazingly cool mind. He acts like he is falling asleep most oft he time unless you ask him to do something more, and I have felt totally safe putting beginner riders on him once I have sounded him out to make sure he is not in one of his bucking moods. You put him in a pace and he will stay there until you ask for soemthing else. He runs games (barrels/poles etc) Super fast but can also lope through with no fuss. He hardly spooks. Since I got him he is constantly and obviously improving all the time. He can now move forward into a contact, he has awesome stops and rollbacks/haunch turns, he is unfussed by a show atmosphere. His first show (and my first ASH show) at Bungendore recently we got second in every class and first in the time trial, one of the classes involved galloping circles while cracking a stockwhip, and he is just unflappable. He is friendly, easiest horse to catch, loads no problem, etc.
Basically, he is near perfect except for this issue. Even with this issue, he will be worth big bucks when I decide it is time to sell, and i'm very attached to him, he is very likeable! So getting rid of him is really not something i'm willing to do in this situation. His bucking hasn't endangered anyone but me, and it's a risk I am willing to take, he hasn't even come close to unseating me. Most of the time you feel him humping his back and once you pull his head up he quite before he has got any feet off the ground.
Oh and I rode him yesterday arvo, he was an angel. Didn't even think about bucking, even on a nice long gallop behind the golfcourse. Confusing horse!
I really am flummoxed... The only thing I haven't done is have his teeth done yet, but I wouldnt think that would influence bucking... He is a very stubborn horse and prone to being grumpy so it could just be him protesting to actually having to move his butt... But most habits like that are broken fairly quickly with consistent discipline... And that just isn't happening.
I have recently found out that getting the teeth done makes such a HUGE difference sometimes.
My horse Nia, would buck all through the canter, and I would ride it out, but I couldn't figure out why she was doing it.
I took her to the dentist and she hadn't had her teeth done in years and they were sharp so they were causing sores in her mouth.
I took her on Monday, and I rode her Tuesday and today, and she's a completely different horse.
If he's okay with his mouth being messed with, slide you finger along the outside of his back teeth and feel if they are sharp. If you've ever felt a horses teeth after they've gotten them done you can deffinately tell the difference. If you haven't, then when you run your finger along his teeth and you think, "oh, their just a little rough" then it's time to get his teeth done. It'll make him a lot more comfortable.
Hmmm. Okay, i'll have to get the dentist out soon. I will have to wait a while though, cause I just got my dog desexed and it ended up costing over $400 and still has ongoing complications.
I've actually come up with a new theory... He seems to buck when the saddle is sitting too far forward (i.e. Obstructing his shoulder). Silly riding schools who hammered it into my head that the saddle has to sit right up on the wither have a lot to answer for, lol! Even now knowing about proper saddle positioning, it still goes againast the grain having it further back. Thinking back, most times he has bucked are when I have saddled in a hurry or the girth has been a bit loose and the saddle has ridden forward... He has old pressure points either side of his wither (white marks) and I'm thinking that maybe the saddle pushes on these when it's too far forward. I have ridden him lots in the last week and had him at a competition yesterday and no bucks at all. (plus he got a fastest time fo the day in one of our races, just a little brag :]).
That may be the problem. Just keep watching your saddle position and if he doesn't throw any more bucks when it is in the right place, you might have found the culprit.
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I don't either! Maybe try asking Mike or one of the mods? I can't wait to see it!
Thanks, smrobs. I find it really hard, I think I have it way far back then I get on and its still forward! Years of incorrect drilling has done it's damage. But at least I know now and can get off and fix it.
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