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    01-29-2010, 06:59 PM
Wow. That's a lot of advice, thankyou so much everyone :) I'm definitely going to give it a go. Not sure when I will be able to though because the only time I can do XC is at pony club, and that's a group lesson. The instructor needs to spend time teaching everyone and I would feel pretty bad if I made the lesson into an "all about me" :P I don't know of any places at all that I can go to to have a private lesson :(

Maura - I had no idea about that, but it makes perfect sense. I'm trying that out for sure, but i've never ridden with two reins. I'm sure I could find someone to teach me though :)

I've printed out all of your answers, I'll be taking them with me every time I ride now :) Thankyou all sooooo much I really appreciate this. I'll let you know how he goes when I get a chance to jump
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    01-29-2010, 07:20 PM
Sorry to double post but I need to add - It doesn't matter if we're in an dressage arena, doing a SJ course, riding in a field or riding a XC course, his canter is hard to stop. BUT I can stop him from trot to walk and walk to halt in all these situations without using my reins, and he responds instantly. I seriously don't even know what I do, I just THINK stop and he does it. It's just the canter we have trouble with :S When he bolts, I slowly turn him onto a large-ish circle and talk to him, put my heels wayy down, say 'woah' and pull gently on the reins. In no way do I haul on the reins to stop him, I would never to that. But I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm not sitting down. Hmmm. I used to stand up to stop ages ago but I got out of that habit, perhaps it's back. :S
But we can't do a lot of canter work because our arena was made really terribly, (moving house soon and getting a properly made, bigger one) so that would probably be contributing to it.
    01-29-2010, 07:31 PM
*** But he doesn't actually bolt unless we are on a cross country course, his canter is just hard to stop
    01-29-2010, 08:01 PM
Have you tried skipping the jumps when he bolts and let him run it out. If you make his idea into your idea then you have a chance at changing his mind when he is ready. When he bolts let him run and when he slows down keep him running untill he is begging to stop then your idea has become his idea and when you ask him to stop he will. I also would practice alot of the calvary stop untill I could drg his but in the ground when I needed to.
    01-29-2010, 09:51 PM
I stand by my post.
    01-30-2010, 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by MIEventer    
I stand by my post.
I am far less experienced and accomplished than most of the riders on this board, but MIE's post really seems spot on. Sometimes at higher levels of riding (or any skilled activity) it is easy to see a problem as an isolated event. Since I am a beginner and focusing so much on basics, maybe it is easier for me to see that this is a basic problem, not simply a "bolts in XC" problem.

If he is hard to slow at the canter, then it sounds like there are other instances where he isn't listening to you. I think MIE's point about rethinking the approach to riding all together (focusing on his hind and really listening to your seat) makes great sense. I also agree with whoever said adreneline brings out the holes in training. Maybe the bolting seems like the biggest problem, but it is no doubt an accumulation of smaller problems that come together when he is unconfident. I think bringing things back several steps in training will help him have more confidence and listen to you instead of him just reacting to his fear.

But as I said, I am a beginner so if nothing I said makes sense feel free to disregard!!
    01-30-2010, 02:24 PM
Tealmut, you made complete sense!

As George Morris and other greats like Jim Wofford say - Go back to the Training Scale.
    01-30-2010, 05:09 PM
I REALLY like what MIEventer said. Wonderful post!

I'd take some time and work without jumps on trot/canter/trot/walk transitions, with very few strides of canter in with lots of walk and trot, working up to more and more strides of canter when he masters that downward transition.

Once he's mastered the calm, cadenced canter, go into an arena with maybe two small crossrails max. Ask him to trot to the jumps, land in canter, and come down to a trot a few strides after the jump. Mix it up... canter to the jump, land it, come right down to trot, etc etc. Make him think, don't let him get comfortable and anticipate the same routine. Reward good behavior, and don't yank on the mouth for bad behavior, ignore it and try again.

It might be a little boring compared to what you want him to be doing, but remember, he's got a problem and it MUST be fixed for him to be a safe ride.

When he can be sane to and after a simple x, try a small vertical. Incorporate lots of grids and gymnastics, REALLY get that mind working.

You can do it!
    01-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Green Broke
Totally, 100% agree with what MIEventer said.
    01-30-2010, 07:27 PM
Well, I am glad I am able to share what I learnt from Dorothy Crowell. I am just the messenger :)

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