Overcoming new obsticles

I have been around a long long time. I am old, have seen hundreds of people in various boarding facilities . I know how most think, how most handle their horse and truely most of them suck.
I feel and again this is with experince that pussy footing around an issue is NOT the way to do things.
I am giving you my opinion, my proven way of doing things to make a solid good horse. What you do with it is up to you.
Two years ago this April I had the privilege of putting my method against a well know HORSE WHISPER as they called him. He had a 6 year old family pet against my 5 year old unhandled bronc. A really bad ass.
The Horse whisper charged $3000 for the 3 months and well there was me making nothing. Everyone thought the $3000 job was going to come back a work of art, everyone just wished they could have a horse trained by him.
In the meantime I had this broncy horse that bucked me off half the time, ran through fences, was just plain bad and most in the barn helped me at one time or other just get on him, he needed his head held down to just mount, I would get set and then off we went running miles of country.
At the end of 3 months the big day came.
My guy was steady at this point, sidepassing, new his leads, rock steady around traffic and had about 600 or 700 miles on him. Hobbled, ground tied and just a nice caracter to be around.
The $3000 job came home, we all waited with anticipation for the big show.. He promply bucked his owner off, she was taken away by ambulance and we saw very little of her for the next year. I moved away but the last I heard she still wasn't riding the horse.
It was a big joke at the barn after that.
His student broke one other of our horses. 32 times on the horse and they still weren't pulling a rein??? Don't want to use force

Summary.. Force is required to make a good stable reliable bombproof horse.

I sure would like to know what all that twirling of a lead rope is all about whenever the above mentioned lady handled her horse?????

the real question is could anyone else ride that horse that you trained? I've seen where horses trained like that are wonderful for any extremely confident rider, but could someone at a lower level than you ride that horse without having to go through all of that all over again?

Why is it that my horses set the standard where ever they board?? It is not fear, they show no fear and come running the minute my truck or car pulls in the driveway. I feel guilty if I don't go immediatley to them??
Totally scared?? I pick candidates that are mentally stable and won't waste money on one that is not. I will not buy a broke horse or one that has been started by anyone else.

I miss where I said anything about one style of training over another.

I asked a simple question. It seems you answered it though. You started your thread just so you can pummel everyone.

Seems to me like you just want to tell everyone else how wrong and stupid they are. Almost like you posted this just looking for a fight. The thread you posted was about "methods people used for overcoming obstacle". Maybe you should have named it, "agree with me or else I fight you and make fun of you".

I'm not saying your methods are wrong or even saying anything about your methods. I just don't think you should attack everyone who has a slightly different opinion than you.

That I don't know. I will not let anyone on him for years. To me a horse is very private and I will let no one on him. My last guy who had 2 years on him was leaving a barn and I asked the owner lady to give him a try. She found him so light and responsive around the yard but that is the extent of me letting anyone ride any of my babies.
My old endurance horse of 17 years became the loaner horse and everyone from 8 to 80 borrows and rides him. Even a mentally challenged lady uses him, leaving him someplace and walks home to tell us how well it is going but forgets to bring him back
No I will not loan my horse.

RD, your answers sound like you think people here are trying to offend you or pick on your methods. My understanding is we just share what we do "to overcome the obstacles". One can agree with each other method or not, but noone is trying to attack here.

I understand that....I'm feeling realy bad about having to have sold mine since I was his only rider from the time he was 2 until he was 11. His new owner is having issues, but I think that it mostly has to do with her being scared to discipline him He was used to being told quickly if he did something wrong. I actually pretty much agree with your way of training, but I was wondering that because it takes a very confident rider to ride many of the horses that I have seen trained in your manner, and in other methods I have seen that they seem to be easier for less confident/experienced riders sooner.

This stems from the puddle post. Since that was not my post I didn't want to take it over. This retreat, advance, retreat, walk through the water etc etc is just not going to get the results you want. Sure you might get him through the puddle eventually but what does it do for future puddles?? for future absticles like wooden narrow pedestrian bridges?? Everything becomes a puddle, another thing to train the horse at. I beleive in fighting it out ONCE and then it is over , done with.
This doesn't make scared frightened horses. If it does the horse is weak anyway and I wouldn't put time or money into him. His basic caracter must be bolt, outgoing and not resistive.
Older horses should have it all together, know and do just about anything, lead anywhere and yet I find my 1 month into training guy seemingly is more stable, more outgoing then the 20 year olds???
This is not right. A 20 year old that doesn't know leads? Doesn't know sidepassing??? The list can go on and on. I expect this in the first year?

From 50 plus years of riding with people, from 25 years of endurance riding I have learned that the majority of people are too soft when it comes to dealing with horses. They tip toe around things, are afraid of upsetting the horses but in the end most come to me to help them out with a problem and I end up riding their horses to fix something.
I see problems from other boarders in a large barn that could be fixed in seconds if they just knew what they are doing.
I am just giving my way of doing things, it works, the horse turn out fantastic and bold, outgoing and confident.
If the rider is timid the horse is timid. A confident strong rider gets a confident strong horse. Horses take on the personalities of their riders.