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        03-28-2013, 10:00 PM
      #11
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by Ian McDonald    
    LOL yeah, I've said 'never again' myself more than once. Horses are like the mob though. I keep TRYING to GET OUT, and they keep PULLING ME BACK IN! ;]
    Why don't you make them an offer they can't refuse? Ever woke up with a horse head in your bed?
         
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        03-28-2013, 10:26 PM
      #12
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    Chiilaa, no one I trained for is on this board, my name is not on this board, no clients names or specifics about their horses were mentioned, and the last horse I trained for the public was years ago. I think everyone is allowed a gripe about the bad side of their (ex)job every so often.

    I wish that everyone could see both sides of the equation and sympathize with both view points. I love people and making them happy, or I did, but working in warranties for the last 4 years, being screamed at by unreasonable people for issues you didn't cause and can't fix kind of dulls the desire to please. As does working with owners who are impossible to please.
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        03-28-2013, 11:38 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    When I bought my 2 year old... I was looking for a little older horse, like a 3-4 year old, but when I saw Breeze's ad, I decided to look at her, there was no picture, and all I knew was she was a black 2011 filly with 1 blue eye... when I went to see her, she was beautiful, I went out, and then learned that she was an untouched, scared of people horse, but I bought her anyways, because I liked her attitude, and there was something about her. Even though I bought a horse younger then I wanted, I knew what my skills were, and I thought I could handle her, and I did, I got her halter broke, and trusting people, and the basics of ground work. I did however make a mistake by 'spoiling' her when I didn't even realize it, and gave her more love then training. I caught my mistake, and fixed it before she became dangerous, and now I am getting help, be taking her to a trainer, but only to get insturction to widen my skills.

    What I am trying to say is, there are people who will buy a horse for there looks, and people who will be like me and buy a horse, that they didn't want to buy because they felt like the horse was worth more then just being a scared of people little pasture pet... like Breeze would have been if I did not buy her. But people can be unrealistic about their skills, and buy a young horse and ruin it... I am just glad I fixed my mistake before it got too bad.
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        03-29-2013, 05:05 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    A lot of this depends on where you are, and what type of people you are training for. Someone with more experience with horses, will have better grasp than someone that has Black Stallion syndrome, and thinks that love cures all.

    And many people with little experience really do think you can train a horse from totally untouched to dead head in 30 days. They have not got a clue.

    And sadly, no matter how well you train one? If they allow horse to "train them" at home? They will blame you for "not training horse right."
         
        03-30-2013, 01:39 PM
      #15
    Foal
    Sounds like people have been watching a lot of Clinton Anderson and they assume any trainer = Clinton Anderson. I can train a horse from the ground up to do all the essentials that CA and all the big trainers can, but it takes me months to do it. Not because I make a lot of mistakes either, I just go very very slow and stop for the day when the horse makes a small step forward in progress, and I cover everything I can possibly think of.

    You also have to take into account when you're a trainer, 50% of your job is the horse. The other 50% is dealing with the owners, and if you can't deal with them, then don't take the job. I've met many owners who have the wrong idea about horses, and I had to test them to see if they were willing to change their perspective. Some owners were willing to learn and change, others refused to see their horse other than a big anthropomorphized chihuahua. You have to figure that out before you take the job, otherwise you're going to run into serious problems later.
         
        03-30-2013, 02:18 PM
      #16
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by BlueSpark    
    The last two I worked with I thought would be an easy case. Owner stated clearly that he just wanted miles put on young, already started horses. He expected them to have 30 days of trail experience with lots of walk/trot, started on neck reining. I had them neck reining, w/t/c, trails without a problem, steep hills, mud, they doubled, you could pony them or pony off them, bareback riding. Stood quietly tied.

    Turns out what he hadn't mentioned was a) he spoils his horses and won't admit it's him causing the problem and b) he wanted a horse that only walked(and not too fast), and acted like a 20 year old school master, despite him insisting that he knew how to handle a green horse and he had realistic expectations. After going back and helping him work with his horses multiple times I told him that he needed to invest in a well broke, laid back beginner safe mount.
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    Welcome to the world of being called a horse trainer. If you want to be a trainer...you have to take the good with the bad. And you need to learn how to deal with every nut job that comes down the pike. You can of course, pick and choose your clients. My trainer does it all the time. If someone comes in with unrealistic goals and expectations, he tells them to go elsewhere.
         
        03-30-2013, 02:26 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Just wait until you have a newbie owner that has show horses and pleasure horses and wants you to train her pleasure horses and get them safe and bombproof while her show trainer/instructor trains the fancy show horse. And then wait until said other trainer decides that since you are competition, she's going to sabotage you in every way imaginable by convincing a barely competent rider that she's the best thing since sliced bread, so she reverses all the good training you do by "working them herself" in all the wrong ways when you aren't there. Good times.
         
        03-30-2013, 02:30 PM
      #18
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    Just wait until you have a newbie owner that has show horses and pleasure horses and wants you to train her pleasure horses and get them safe and bombproof while her show trainer/instructor trains the fancy show horse. And then wait until said other trainer decides that since you are competition, she's going to sabotage you in every way imaginable by convincing a barely competent rider that she's the best thing since sliced bread, so she reverses all the good training you do by "working them herself" in all the wrong ways when you aren't there. Good times.

    This sounds a little like sour grapes. If you are doing a good job with her pleasure horses, then who really cares what the other trainer says. What goes around comes around and if the other trainer is really a dirtbag...then it will be discovered. Just do the best job you can with the horses you have and if you turn out a successful product....then that is all the proof you need that you are capable at what you do.
         
        03-30-2013, 02:37 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Hey, her money is her money, she can spend it how she wants. But when she asks me to teach her horses to be calm and safe, and then she chases them around at full gallop with a lunge whip so they "get tired so I can ride" because her other trainer told her to, then its her money down the drain. I will happily keep going in circles with her, explaining why NOT to do these things, but I can only do so much. I'm plenty capable. I've turned out many good horses before, and will turn out many good horses after. Just letting the OP know it could indeed be worse.
         
        03-30-2013, 02:43 PM
      #20
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by apachiedragon    
    Hey, her money is her money, she can spend it how she wants. But when she asks me to teach her horses to be calm and safe, and then she chases them around at full gallop with a lunge whip so they "get tired so I can ride" because her other trainer told her to, then its her money down the drain. I will happily keep going in circles with her, explaining why NOT to do these things, but I can only do so much. I'm plenty capable. I've turned out many good horses before, and will turn out many good horses after. Just letting the OP know it could indeed be worse.
    Wait...I guess I misunderstood....this person has you AND another trainer working with the same horses??? That's just nuts...and not on YOUR part but on the owners part. The owner can''t have it both ways, because that just undoes whatever you have done in way of training.
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