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    08-12-2012, 12:22 PM
  #11
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Foal
Tom Dorrance trick and works fine. Saw this on his dvd, A Day With Tom Dorrance. Horse was tied to trailer, where he usually pawed. Tom sat in a chair a bit away, so horse didn't really care about him. Tom had a pile of pebbles next to him. Every time the horse pawed, Tom tossed a pebble at the horse's butt. Horse was quite surprised, then quickly started pawing. Another pebble. Now this horse had no idea it was Tom throwing pebbles at him. He just knew every time he pawed, he got a tap on the butt. Horses paw because they need to move their feet. This is a nice way to teach the horse to stand without pawing. Kinda fun and works great!
     
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    08-12-2012, 01:22 PM
  #12
Foal
I don't untie my horse because she misbehaves or purposly only tie her for short periods of time because she does misbave I guess I was just trying to point out the fact that I don't just leave her tied for hours on end for no purpose. I don't accomidate her because of her rude behavior. I do generally just ignore her except when she paws and it irratates me because sometimes she paws the trailer fenders and it can be very noisy and destructive then I usually only verbally repremand her. I guess she could have learned this behavior in the past from former owners she has been passed around quite a lot.
     
    08-12-2012, 05:13 PM
  #13
Weanling
There's no harm in leaving her tied for a long time and believe it or not, she would be learning something: Patience.
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    08-12-2012, 05:56 PM
  #14
Foal
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Originally Posted by amberhunter    
I don't untie my horse because she misbehaves or purposly only tie her for short periods of time because she does misbave I guess I was just trying to point out the fact that I don't just leave her tied for hours on end for no purpose. I don't accomidate her because of her rude behavior. I do generally just ignore her except when she paws and it irratates me because sometimes she paws the trailer fenders and it can be very noisy and destructive then I usually only verbally repremand her. I guess she could have learned this behavior in the past from former owners she has been passed around quite a lot.
I didn't mean that you were doing it on purpose. By releasing her when she is doing her pacing/pawing, it is rewarding her for her bad behavior. She just learned that hey...if I start to do this...I don't have to stand here anymore. There is absolutely no harm in leaving a horse that is safely tied for any length of time. It may seem pointless, but it is teaching patience. Now I am not saying leave her out there for days, but a few hours tied to something other than a trailer where she can not do any harm to herself or anything else. Hence why I suggested a high line.

I also agree that tying after working her, she will come to see it as a release instead. She will start to think....I worked really hard and need to take a break...oh hey I can stand here...it's more work if I actually pace/paw...why not take a nap instead.

I hope that some of this makes sense and good luck with your mare!
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    08-12-2012, 06:04 PM
  #15
Teen Forum Moderator
^ I agree. Because of my job, I may be working with my mare and suddenly have to stop and leave her for a considerably long time (often over an hour) and I have to be able to just tie her and leave her, and expect for her to be calmly waiting for me when I return. I do usually throw her a bit of hay to occupy her if I know that I will be gone for more than an hour, but she still stands perfectly quiet even without hay. How did I get her this way? By letting her de-stress herself.

She used to be terrible on the leadline, no respect at all for her halter or lead rope. So I would work her in a rope halter and do excessive respect/ground work with her until she realized that any pressure that was put on her could be rectified by simply thinking it through. If she was being pulled, she could step forwards and find release. If she was tangled at all, she could unwrap herself. Then I'd find a nice tall branch, tie her so that she couldnt get her head below her elbow, and I just walked away. She would huff and puff and pace and snort...but I would just continue to do that every day until she realized that there was nothing wrong with being tied, and that nothing was going to make her uncomfortable or put pressure on her unless she moved first. Now, I can leave for even a few hours and find her in the same spot that she was in when I left, quietly dozing in the shade.

Patience isn't something that horses can learn without being first taught dominance- with the dominant one being you. She has to realize that you can put her wherever you want whenever you want for however long you want and she needs to be ok with that- and that it can actually be a pleasant thing. Whether you do that by just letting her work it out herself or by another method, once she does figure out what you want, I highly doubt that you'll have any more problems with her.
     
    08-12-2012, 10:07 PM
  #16
Showing
When a horse that is tied begins to paw, it means it would really like to be elsewhere because of a life-saving mechanism that's built in. The horse cannot escape a perceived predator. By tying them for a lengthy period do we really teach the horse patience or does it zone out because it's can't handle the stress of possibly being something's dinner. A horse that is zoned out will stand quietly because mentally he's not connected to the world around him.
     
    08-12-2012, 10:15 PM
  #17
Yearling
If we go on trail rides, ours stand tied to the trailer or 'tied-out' for grass all night .
I do believe in the 'patience' tree. Ours will stand, quiet and content. Some nights I'm up all night so I'll use it for tying practice. Horse May stand tied till 4 in the morning and I'll go out, give it a treat and let it go.

Most were taught by using a very.strong but flexible tree (love the old huge oak trees here)
I'll use a high branch and it'll be tied from up above. So, the branch gives a bit when pulled, instead of the horses neck. And being above there's not actually a way for it to pull back.
I love it. They can buck, rear whatever but never had one hurt. And they learn that it won't save them.
     
    08-12-2012, 10:44 PM
  #18
Started
I'm all for lovey-dovey whatever if it makes people happy, but horses should stand quietly. End of story in my world. If they're the kind to pull or set back, they need to be broke of it. If they paw and pace and fidget, they need to be broke of that. Just my opinion, and I don't really care what goes on in their head to get them there, but a horse that won't stand quietly while tied for as long as necessary is not a well trained horse IMO.

My friend's horse was getting bad about pacing and pawing during a few years she was essentially a pasture pet due to life priorities being elsewhere. Recently my friend had a change of residence and was able to get back to working with her mare. Lesson 1 was a patience lesson- the mare was high-tied where she could be watched from the house while my friend did other chores. It took the mare FOUR HOURS to settle down and stand quietly. The next day it took all of 10 minutes. Horses aren't stupid, on the contrary, it's their attention to detail that gets them into trouble, and many quickly learn that acting up gets the human's attention and gets the horse what they want (untied).
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