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post #21 of 42 Old 05-28-2009, 03:13 PM
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I'm not really a huge fan of any of them. I do enjoy Anderson's sense of humor. All of their techniques are effective on a horse in a mental aspect, however I find that a lot of them leave out important information about a horses physical well being and promoting proper self carriage. I have come across many NH horses, mostly Parelli, that are very obedient, but physically in the process of breaking down. This is especially apparent in horses whose behavior issues are a result of physical issues in the first place. I have no problem with people using their dvds or clinics for help, but I strongly encourage people to learn about the physical aspect as well in addition to exercising the horses mind.
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I really think they are all good. I actually prefer a fourth party by far. But out of the three I like Clinton Anderson.

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I love John Lyon's methods. Parelli seems okay. I havent done any of his things, but I have his natural horse-man-ship book and it seems like a lot of fluffy stuff. But i guess i cant really speak, because i havent tried his methods. But i do like john lyons alot!

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Im a Clinton Anderson, Chris Cox fan. Reason being is how they present the material. I have met John Lyons and he is a nice enough guy. IMO Parelli is all about selling his stuff. Clinton Anderson was the first guy to show you how to do the techniques on an unbroke horse. Now others are following suit.

If you really look at it, they all say the same thing, just phrase it differently. The methods or ideas are the same. Move the horse forward, lateral flexion, engaging and disengaging ect.

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Walka was trained using John Lyons methods along with a certified JL trainer that I respected and we both clicked with.

Didn't know much about Clinton Anderson or Parelli back than. Thanks to RFD TV that has since changed.

Like CA and his direct no fluff training methods. Also like Chris Cox for the same reason.

Not such a Parelli fan, as it all comes across a bit vague to me. However, can't take away from the success others have achieved using his methods.

Good thing there are so many there that all want one thing, a good relationship/partnership with the horse and humane way of achieving it.
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John Lyons.... uh.... I have my opinion of him and it is not good ;)

I have never heard of Clinton, but I really like Parelli. He's amazing.

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Anderson gets on my nerves. I was NOT impressed when he did Road to the Horse v. Cox v. Westfall. Not much good to say about Parelli either. Out of the 3, I guess it's Lyons, but he's no where near my fave - Chris Cox, then Stacy Westfall. But, whatever works for you, works best.

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post #29 of 42 Old 05-29-2009, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by horseloverd2 View Post
John Lyons.... uh.... I have my opinion of him and it is not good ;)

I have never heard of Clinton, but I really like Parelli. He's amazing.
What is it that you don't like about JL? Not looking to argue, just curious :)
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post #30 of 42 Old 05-30-2009, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by restless spirit View Post
Who's your favorite trainer Clinton Anderson, pat parelli or john Lyons? I'm kind of on the fence with all three but I want to no your opinions and why you like them
First...all of em...are the same in the basic foundation ideas. They just have their own takes on them that are slightly different. But's all the same.

Present the horse with an idea (don't use force or pain) and let him figure it out by way of using rhythm and a pattern of requests. Always use light pressure first but be willing to add as much as you need and always reward the slightest try. Focus on what you want, not on what you don't want. Etc....

Clinton Anderson is to the point, no b.s. just do it. I like that. And incorporate some of his training methods.

Pat Parelli has a good 7 games to start with, that's really all I know about him. He turns the training into lots of games which is fine, but he seems long winded and I don't like the "this is the only way to do this!" mentality that I run into from the folks who follow his methods to a T. I don't agree that you need his carrot stick or a special halter or special anything to succeed. But like I said, his basic stuff is good.

I got certified through John Lyons so I do the basics like Bridlework. I got the outline for training from him, but I needed to put together my own training plans based on some of the stuff I get from other trainers (big name and not big name) and from making up my own stuff, too....based on what horse needs what, and what owners need what. Unfortunately, he didn't teach me how to handle "problem" horses, I had to learn that from others. He also doesn't push the horse when sometimes there needs to be some push to get the horse through the issues caused by their owners or past bad experiences.

I also listen to Chris Cox, Stephanie Westfall, Ken McNabb,....

I didn't grow up with horses, so I had to learn from these people.

I would highly recommend if you are interested in learning about this....get Tom Dorrance, Bill Dorrance and Ray Hunt Books. These are the original cowboys who brought the whole Natural Horsemanship stuff to the public long before any of the "big names" ever did. They're the "inspiration" behind it all in the U.S. far as I've learned.

Mark Rachid has some great info, too.
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