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        10-04-2009, 09:01 PM
      #21
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by riccil0ve    
    Thank god I'm not alone! Haha.
    If any one of my horse's doesn't stand still and accept the halter then those feet get moving and they don't stop until I say so. There will be no grain buckets, no treats feed by hand, nothing!

    My older one, George who is second in command, behind me, tries this at least once every spring. I walk out to the field and no way is he standing still. So off he goes and he keeps going until he turns and faces me. At that point I walk up to him again, if he stands I put the halter on lead him to the gate and then take the halter off and leave the field and go on with my day. If he moves, off he goes again.

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    However, it's up to you to figure out WHY he's blowing you off in the first place. Usually, with confident horses, it's because the human is boring and he sees no reason to come because his herd is much more interesting. So now it's up to the human to be VERY provocative, unpredictable and imaginative to get this horse to WANT to come.
    I agree with this. They shrug you off bascially because they don't deem you worthy to be with. Your not the leader, you don't give them the same security they get from their herd mates.
         
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        10-04-2009, 09:19 PM
      #22
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by RoosterDo    
    When you chase a horse who doesnt want to be caught you are telling him that not getting caught means he has to work but getting caught means he doesnt have to work he gets to hang out. You are making the wrong thing not being with you hard and the right thing being with you easy. I agree riccilove
    That's what I would do also.
         
        10-04-2009, 09:26 PM
      #23
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    I would suggest you get Parelli's Natural Attraction DVD from the Success Series. That's an excellent one, and should help you.

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    WOW That's a suprise!!!
         
        10-04-2009, 09:38 PM
      #24
    Super Moderator
    Lacey was impossible to catch when I first got her so I used a combination of the chasing mentioned before along with body blocking, the lead rope wrapped around her neck once I caught her, and a treat in my hand as soon as her nose went through the halter.

    I'm sure that those methods aren't going to work for every horse but it worked great for her. The other day she actually walked away from her breakfast and up to me even though she knew that I was going to catch her.
    I also found that the chasing thing didn't really work as well for her as it had with other horses I've used it on. In her case, she could care less about running as long as she was still with her buddies. Your horse may not be like that but with her I've ended up learning how to body block her from half the field away, basically like I'm a cow horse separating a cow from a herd. I can stop her and hold her by copying her movements with my body while approaching her. Eventually she figured out that she wasn't going to get away from me and that she was going to get a treat for being caught.
    Some horses though aren't going to be as in tune to your body language so that won't work, but it might.

    I've also found (maybe you already know this) that if you approach a horse straight on, heading for their head, they usually run. If you approach diagonally, heading towards the shoulder, they usually stay in place. Maybe you sometimes approach his shoulder (when he stays) and the other times (when he runs) you approach his head and you're not even aware of it...

    Good luck! =)
         
        10-04-2009, 09:54 PM
      #25
    Yearling
    I think "chasing" works. But you will help your success if you prepare your horse for it in any old corral or small area. Just swirl your rope until your horse trots around fast and whenever the horse looks at you, stop right away and turn away from your horse. That is like join up and stuff like that I think. Keep practicing until the horse really gets the idea to turn and face you and he will be able to rest. If you walk up to him and he leaves at all, trot him off some more. Then, even in a huge pasture you can do the same thing. Only took about 10 minutes with this one horse. Had to do it only twice I think. Just keep chasing him but if he turns and looks, stop and relax right away and instantly after him again when he turns away. Yes, he will circle the other horses but they will get tired of running when they realize you have no interest in them. Good luck, let us know if anything works. Then, one day when he turns his rump to you and you start to chase him and he stops immediately and faces you and waits for the halter, your adrenaline will be all up for a 10 minute jog around your field and you will have to calm yourself down fast because he was a good boy.
         
        10-04-2009, 10:11 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I took care of a horse whos owner only came to see him once or tiwce a month, and she only came to work him and do carriage rides for money. She would always have to write on the board "leave Bo in today" because she just could not catch him. I recomend, like many above, spending time just hanging out in the paddock. Cleaning manure out, cleaning and refilling his water bucket, walking around the paddock to make sure theres no trash, holes, anything dangerous, just sit and read a book, stuff like that. Also, if you catch him, bring him into the barn and groom him and then put him back outside rather than working him, or just take him out to handgraze him and then put him back outside. You want him to not think your all about work. That might help you, good luck!
         
        10-04-2009, 10:25 PM
      #27
    Started
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    WOW That's a suprise!!!
    *rolls eyes* Give it a rest, get over it.
         
        10-04-2009, 10:56 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RoosterDo    
    When you chase a horse who doesnt want to be caught you are telling him that not getting caught means he has to work but getting caught means he doesnt have to work he gets to hang out. You are making the wrong thing not being with you hard and the right thing being with you easy. I agree riccilove

    Ditto to this...

    I use a lot of different methods with different horses, but when it comes down to it, turning running away into 'your game' has been the best 'cure' for run away horses in my book. They learn that running away is uncomfortable because I make them work harder by not letting them stop, but coming to me, or allowing me to walk up to them and pet and brush them is comfortable, so they stop running away. One of the yearlings I am working with was a horrible runner and a few sessions of her catch me if you can game turned into my game, turned her right around...she is usually the FIRST one up to me!
         
        10-04-2009, 11:04 PM
      #29
    Trained
    A few of you made a good point that I neglected to mention. The "chase" method won't work the same on an abused rescue that's absolutely terrified. That's the horse you just sit in the pasture with.

    There's also nothing wrong with hanging out in the pasture, I pull out a blanket in the summer and plop myself down with a book all the time. I'll even jump on Ricci, face her bum, and lay down on her back to read, letting her wander and graze. It is important that they aren't ALWAYS worked, but I think it's just as important to discipline your horse when he's misbehaving [i.e. Running away].
         
        10-05-2009, 04:32 AM
      #30
    Trained
    Have you ever worked a cow?

    There are many ways to catch a hard to catch horse. The only one that has worked consistently for me is blocking.

    I detest having to feed a horse to catch it. I never treat my horses if they run away. And they don't run away. Odd.

    So... Blocking. It's not following, and it's not chasing. Some people touched on it. The concept comes easier of you have worked stock, wether it be wild horses, cattle, sheep, etc. Basically, you can control an animals direction by changing your location in relation to their eye. With horses, it is more often their shoulder. So, the idea is, if you get in front of the eye, you are blocking. If you are behind the eye, you are driving. The distance away determines the force you apply, therefore the speed of the animal. Getting up close will speed them up, further away lets them relax and slow down.

    So, if your horse walks away in the paddock, block them. If they go left, you get in front of their eye to the left and turn them back. It should then go right... You get in front of the eye and turn them back. So on and so forth. You keep them turning, don't let them rest. I generally stay fairly far back and let the horse pick the pace. If they run, I back off more butkeep blocking.

    Now, if the horse stops of its own accord, you also stop. I let them think for a second, then I try walking up to the shoulder to catch. If they move off, I drop back and keep blocking.

    Never had it fail. You aren't chasing, so you won't scare them. You aren't just following, which gives no incentive to change the behaviour. You are still working them, and the release comes when they stop, face up to you and are caught.

    Oh, and just a note, I never just 'hang out' with my horses unless it is bath day for a show, and they all still face up and stand quietly to be caught. I don't think it is needed.
         

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