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post #21 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 06:46 PM
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Oh dear I meant IMO, sorry about that

I am not against my horse seeing me as their friend. But there is such a fine line and so many people cross it and let their horses walk all over them. Of course I want to be able to go hang out with my horse and love on them and them love me back. But I am not going to think that because I love on them they can push me around. I guess I should have been a tad more clear on that.

As for PP, well I am not going to touch that one. But it leans a lot more towards your thinking of him as being a better sales person. Some of the basics there is great, however he leads people to believe that his methods only work with his special brand of a carrot stick and his halter... again this puts him towards not actually teaching, but branding.

I believe my sour taste about PP comes from the fact that its almost like a cult. And people who are level blah blah in PP horsemanship know more then you do and that if you don't use PP you are not doing it right. See where I am going here?

As for playing fetch... obviously I am exaggerating lol. But its a dig at the games. As I have been told by so many people in his cult that you should not ride a horse until it can "play" all of the games.

I am not even going to touch MR. Because that is a topic best left untouched by me.
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post #22 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:09 PM
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As for PP, well I am not going to touch that one.
But you did, but you did, but you did!
...Some may recognise I'm a ZZ Top fan by that response!

Re '7 Games', I do personally agree that it is very beneficial to do that sort of training basics, but it's not something that I think is at all unique to PP, just that he 'packaged' it!

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I am not even going to touch MR. Because that is a topic best left untouched by me.
I'm suspecting we may be on a similar wavelength somehow!
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post #23 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:12 PM
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lol I do believe we are on the same wavelength.

And yes I did but... ugh... sometimes I just need to vent after dealing with so many "special" people over the years
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post #24 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:27 PM
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Loosie are you my alter-ego? Everything I thought of saying you've already said xD

The only thing I'd add is the difference between leader and friend. I feel like we should be more the horse's 'parent' not leader or friend. Parents are often stuck in the battle between wanting their kids to love them and wanting their kids to behave and be good people. Difference is our horses never leave and we have to deal with the outcome (unless of course we sell them).
We need to lead by good example, being a balanced guide for the horse to learn from. Not literally by example - but if we are fair to them, they will treat us fairly. Fair reinforcement, balanced between positive and negative based on your individual animal's needs. Judging how much of each is the curse all parents are cursed with.
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post #25 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:28 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone! I think he is rearing because he just has issues with listening. It is well riding him, he back fine with the lead but that is pushing on his chest. He likes to gallop so he always wants to go faster than I want him to so I think that is why he almost tramples me every time I lead him. He is listening better, but I was using a stud chain for a while and now he is listening a lot better! I like to give him treats to let him know that he is being good because that is the only way he really knows. Join up is a trust thing. Everything has gotten a lot better now that we have done that.
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post #26 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:33 PM
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I like to give him treats to let him know that he is being good because that is the only way he really knows.
I'm not going to get into the rest - I'll leave that to the others who are probably more experienced in those things.
If you're giving the horse treats make SURE the timing is perfect. He should get the treat the moment he's doing something wonderful, not a minute after. If you're unwrapping the treat and he pushes into your space - just walk away don't give it to him. That's unacceptable.
Treats only reinforce the behavior they're doing while they get the treat (unless there's a bridge of some sort to translate for them)
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post #27 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:40 PM
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*sigh* and this is why kids are not horse trainers.

Stop feeding him treats by hand. If you want to give them to him, put them in his feed bucket.

I'm not even going to get into the rest. But this goes back to my earlier statement.
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post #28 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 07:54 PM
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You don't have to give treats for a horse to know that it has done something well or right...
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post #29 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 08:09 PM
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I spoil my horse with peppermints too... a lot of peppermints.

My rule is that if they start nudging you or messing with you (because they KNOW you have mints) smack their muzzle... hard. Don't give the mint till he isn't being annoying.
Believe me, they'll learn that you will give them by gift, not by them bothering you.
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post #30 of 33 Old 11-12-2012, 08:13 PM
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I agree - you don't need treats, but they are nice - they really cement in the behavior. If you feed them a treat while they're pushing into your space, nipping at you or otherwise being rude - they've just seriously learned that skill. But if you give a horse a treat while they're backing up (when asked) they've just strongly learned that backing up is a great thing to do.

Treats are as useful as they are dangerous - if you must use them, use them right.

I think this is getting off topic a bit though. So I'll let everyone go back training techniques.
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