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post #21 of 41 Old 12-26-2012, 01:53 PM
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If I had to choose, it would go with the conformation. Because yes a horse can have a packed pedigree but are they going to have the conformation to stay sound throughout the career they are being asked to do?

I personally look for both in a horse....I want a proven pedigree and a horse with the solid conformation needed.

Conformation is how far the horse CAN go,
Mind is how far the horse WILL go,
Training is how far it DOES go.
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post #22 of 41 Old 12-26-2012, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by goneriding View Post
Conformation over pedigree, you can't ride papers.
Of course you can ride papers....I do it all the time, every time I swing a leg over my horse, or show my horse. He's registered AQHA, bred to do WP, conformed to do WP, and has the AQHA show record to prove it. You certainly CAN ride papers!
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^ So agree with DunQH.

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Going out on a limb here but I actually make my decision based on what the horse enjoys. Of course conformation plays a role here as a shetland pony is not normally going to enjoy dressage But for instance, my little Aussie Stock horse just can not get his head around going in a circle, therefore I did minimal schooling and we did CTR & endurance which he loves. On the other hand my big Tb seemed to love the discipline and (comparative) 'safety' of dressage (he also loved an audience) so we concentrated more on that.
Above all for me, I like my horses to be happy and enjoy themselves - if they are happy then so am I.
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If you want to show at a high level in an event that horses have been intensely bred to do, horses that are bred to this highest level on both sides of their ancestry can be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Do people really think that serious show or racing people looking for a Nationally or Internationally competitive horse would really pay $100,000.00 or more for a very well-bred prospect when they could just buy some dink with decent conformation for a few hundred dollars?

I don't think so!

Yes! There are dinks that prove to be great, but the chances of getting one are getting more and more like the chances of winning the lottery.

No! Not all high priced, well-bred prospects turn out to be great. But the chances are about 1000X better than just picking up a dink with good conformation.

Case and point:

A few years ago only a handful of breeders bred specifically for barrel horses. Almost everyone just picked up horses off of the track that were not fast enough to run better than AA. As the popularity of the sport grew and the money added to the purses grew, more and more prospects went into training, particularly young ones headed for the big money futurities. Trends started to develop. Some bloodlines were coming up in the winner's circle time after time. This was so much the case, that now the highly competitive top trainers, riders and owners in the sport will not even look at a horse that is not bred to win in barrel racing.

I saw the trend coming about 20 years ago. I had some AA and AAA producers that were 'old' bloodlines like Jet Deck and Leo and Flit Bars (including an old AAA daughter of Tiger Leo). I had previously owned a AAA son of Go Man Go but had sold him when I moved to Oklahoma.

I thought these mares could produce good barrel horses so I bred several of them to Oklahoma Fuel just before he died. I sold those colts for a lot of money to Ed and Martha Wright and several other leading barrel racing trainers.

One by one, as more money has come into different sports, breeding and pedigrees has become more and more important in almost any horse sport. Specialization within different breeds and crossbreeds is gradually making this happen at a faster rate. The more athleticism and speed an event requires, the faster this is happening.

When it now costs $10,000.00 to $25,000.00 or more to train a horse to 'show ready' in almost any competitive event, the idea of any serious competitor throwing this kind of money into a horse of unknown pedigree is getting pretty hard to justify.

Obviously, this does not apply as much to backyard pleasure horses, trail horses, etc. But, I even want to raise my own pleasure and trail horses because I get a very high percentage of user-friendly horses with good conformation and very willing minds -- enough so that I prefer them to buying much cheaper prospects.

To deny this trend is to be 'barn blind' to the facts.

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post #26 of 41 Old 12-26-2012, 04:30 PM
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^love this post Cherie! And yes, not to be snobby...but if you are a serious competititor in any discipline, you are not going to take a chance on a $500 no-name, unregistered horse to get the job done. It just doesn't happen, and if it's a fluke. Like I said earlier, I show WP and I'm most certainly not going to go look at any horses NOT bred to do WP and I need to be prepared to spend a good amount to get what I want. It's a reality folks....
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I am loving this conversation! There are several good points for both sides I think. I agree that the best scenario is having both conformation and pedigree (luckily most horses have at least a little of both).
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I'll be another to throw in you can ride papers. We have 7 Quarter Horses, 6 with proven barrel bloodlines only one was bought with any barrel training. Out if the 6 who are broke 5 enjoy barrels. The one who doesn't is a perfectly cute built all foundation bred little mare. She has no desire to run, and she is built better than some of the others. Not saying I don't know lesser bred horses who do well, but it's better to take a chance with proven lines.
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post #29 of 41 Old 12-26-2012, 06:14 PM
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I will throw my weight behind the idea of what the horse likes. I have seen horses that are bred to the hilt to do something (usually racing). They get to the track and the fire is not in their belly. Which means that all their good lines and conformation can go to pot. In my opinion, you can have two horses that are both bred the same, have very similar conformation and one has the desire to do the job. That horse with the desire to do that job is going to out perform the other every time. You can't breed for desire its like conformation they either have it or they don't.

I agree with Cherie, but there are cases where horses who should not be any good at a sport are good at it. The reason is that the horse LOVES its job and puts for lack of a better word more heart into it. I knew a horse who loved to chase other horses. He was old as dirt, and the thing that got that horse going was that every few days he got to go out and chase other horses into the corrals. I think we can all pick out a horse or two that loves it job more than any others.

I think that it should be mind/desire than conformation than breeding. The trouble is horses don't carry around resumes to show you what they like doing. The world is full of horses and so breeding is often used to separate the wheat from the chafe.
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My Point was there are many hunter jumpers and dressage horses that have no papers and do go on to higher level showing. Secondly, If you are a serious TB race horse breeder, you would not be on this forum asking about pedigree vs confirmation. Seriously, lol.. I have registered horses and grade horses, They ride about the same. They would sell for about the same . If you cutting or reining then you would not use a TB .. If you plan on breeding you should have registered horses.
You should put Conformation First , Lineage second.. Seen many popular bred horses , Down hill, sickle hocked ,pigeon toed , jug headed UGLY horses BUT they had Lineage out the yang.. If you are gonna buy by lineage only, You are making mistakes..
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